Path of Gambling?

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Wladicorist1#5599 wrote:

here we go again :D
you simply assume that i hate it so much that its a dealbreaker for me or something. i like mostly 90% of the game only because i dont like 10% of the game doesnt mean i have to stop playing it, im going to give my feedback on it.
i mean its fine that you disagree but you got no valid points at all so thats why you telling others to leave, like bruh we're "absolutely" going to leave the forum and the game only because you said so

If you like 90% of the game, then you like gambling. The whole game is gambling. All of it. Every Mechanic.

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Piousqd#0073 wrote:

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Wladicorist1#5599 wrote:

here we go again :D
you simply assume that i hate it so much that its a dealbreaker for me or something. i like mostly 90% of the game only because i dont like 10% of the game doesnt mean i have to stop playing it, im going to give my feedback on it.
i mean its fine that you disagree but you got no valid points at all so thats why you telling others to leave, like bruh we're "absolutely" going to leave the forum and the game only because you said so

If you like 90% of the game, then you like gambling. The whole game is gambling. All of it. Every Mechanic.

i mean yeah if you define gambling as rerolling maps then yeah sure the entire game is about gambling (not)

seriously i think we have 2 different views you think you're right and thats fine
90% of the game for me is not about gambling, its about character building
in the skill tree doing the best with what i find, only because i grind for randomly generated loot doesnt mean i gamble. by that logic you can literally call anything gambling, maybe counter strike? i mean there its also a gamble if i hit or not right?

So you are saying that a game, which preaches variety, has a bunch of people participating in different parts of the game and enjoying it?

That's exactly what PoE is lol

If someone wants to gamble div cards, focus on Kingsmarch, play the best build or just sit in town and listen to Troupe that's their choice. If anything it's people like you, who think that the game should be played a certain way, that are bad for the game and make the experience worse.

It's objectively one of the most popular leagues. Hopefully you'll find another game that works for you though. I guess it's just not for you.

I'm saying your definition of gambling is too narrow.

Everything in this game is gambling.

-Killing a monsters is gambling. You are pulling the slot machine arm every time you kill a monster, hoping it pops out a good piece of loot or currency.

-Crafting is gambling, hoping to hit the desired affix/value

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Piousqd#0073 wrote:

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Wladicorist1#5599 wrote:

here we go again :D
you simply assume that i hate it so much that its a dealbreaker for me or something. i like mostly 90% of the game only because i dont like 10% of the game doesnt mean i have to stop playing it, im going to give my feedback on it.
i mean its fine that you disagree but you got no valid points at all so thats why you telling others to leave, like bruh we're "absolutely" going to leave the forum and the game only because you said so

If you like 90% of the game, then you like gambling. The whole game is gambling. All of it. Every Mechanic.

I think the problem here is that what is considered gambling is subjective.

Rerolling maps and loot RNG in said map aren't considered gambling for most people, because the cost of entry is so low it's virtually nonexistent, while the returns are guaranteed to be worth more. This also applies to meta strats like awakening scarabs and incursion scarabs, because you almost always get back more than what you put in. The only time mapping becomes a gamble is if your build is barely capable of running them and you blow all 6 portals attempting the map, but that's kinda your own fault for taking that risk.

In my opinion, what is considered gambling are things such as crafting. You're not guaranteed to create gear that's worth more than the currency you put in, resulting in losses. Conversely, you have a chance of making a mirror tier item after only dumping maybe a divine or two's value into it.

Another thing I consider to be gambling is pinnacle boss farming, including Maven invitations. The price of entry is higher and you're not guaranteed loot worth more than what you paid for. You can spend several divines farming Exarch before you get lucky and find an unID Forbidden Flame, for example. The same applies to Maven invitations, running guardian/conqueror maps in the hopes her invitations will drop a valuable awakened gem.

And yes, most of what OP listed are gambling as well. You're not guaranteed valuable cards from opening a bunch of Stacked Decks. You're not guaranteed a valuable Valdo map from opening a lot of puzzle boxes. The list goes on.

Random gambas is like one of the most fun things to do in the end of a league though. I always waste all my divs on an Apothecary/other expensive card and some yellow juice just to see if I can make a cool item. And if I manage to make a mageblood out of 1 card then maybe I could actually copy a build that uses it without that build costing an insane amount of currency. And if the cards poof then its back to the HDD with this game until next league lmao

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Pizzarugi#6258 wrote:

I think the problem here is that what is considered gambling is subjective.

It's not subjective. You can tell yourself whatever you want, but we are all playing a game where reward is based on random number generation outcome, and that is gambling.

The only way to play POE without gambling, would be to RMT your currency, and then use that currency to buy the gear for various builds, purely for the joy of creating the build.

As soon as monster loot, currency drops, or crafting are included in your game play, its gambling.

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Piousqd#0073 wrote:

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Pizzarugi#6258 wrote:

I think the problem here is that what is considered gambling is subjective.

It's not subjective. You can tell yourself whatever you want, but we are all playing a game where reward is based on random number generation outcome, and that is gambling.

If there's no risk and all reward, it's not gambling. It's an exchange of your time for wealth.

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Pizzarugi#6258 wrote:

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Piousqd#0073 wrote:

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Pizzarugi#6258 wrote:

I think the problem here is that what is considered gambling is subjective.

It's not subjective. You can tell yourself whatever you want, but we are all playing a game where reward is based on random number generation outcome, and that is gambling.

If there's no risk and all reward, it's not gambling. It's an exchange of your time for wealth.

Do you not place a value on your time? The risk is that you spend your time and are not rewarded.

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Piousqd#0073 wrote:

Do you not place a value on your time? The risk is that you spend your time and are not rewarded.

If you're mapping, even with scarabs, the wealth you get is always far more than the time and investment you put into running them. Thus, it's not gambling, because there's no risk of loss of value.