Future of POE, with or without loot ? Please GGG can you clarify this?

Not sure where this brain-washed "no loot" sentiment comes from. Streamers?
The people that claim it's the worst it's ever been, clearly don't remember when once you couldn't even sustain T16s (yes, it was like that once).

I think a few leagues spoiled people and it set the bar too high for what the expect in raw drops (without crafting, converting etc.). Affliction was the most obvious sinner, but even the flat 25% player quant we had last league isn't seen as a bonus, but an expectation for the league to follow.

I don't get it. It's a grind game.
Loot still drops, albeit it less quick'n'dirty.
Keep grinding. No loot on the forums.

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FalkenRaiding#1068 wrote:

Not sure where this brain-washed "no loot" sentiment comes from. Streamers?
The people that claim it's the worst it's ever been, clearly don't remember when once you couldn't even sustain T16s (yes, it was like that once).

I think a few leagues spoiled people and it set the bar too high for what the expect in raw drops (without crafting, converting etc.). Affliction was the most obvious sinner, but even the flat 25% player quant we had last league isn't seen as a bonus, but an expectation for the league to follow.

I don't get it. It's a grind game.
Loot still drops, albeit it less quick'n'dirty.
Keep grinding. No loot on the forums.

As someone who hasn't played PoE1 since Sanctum, I can tell you the loot feels awful. I was running Rarity on every piece, Rarity Gem.
I've had 3 Raw Divines drop TOTAL.

I finally just took it off the gear entirely and virtually no difference.
Just feels like Rarity is worthless.

I hold zero value in the opinion of Streamers, but I can tell you this game feels more like a mobile game then Diablo II. Its all about upkeep and feeding a tree vs. you know playing the game and finding loot like the genre was built on.

You can't be mad that exploitive design isn't well received.

It is an echo chamber, simple as that. I am doing Betrayal now for fast levels and in about a day I farmed ~ 20 divines from just allflame embers. The drops are amazing, the no-loot myth is perpetuated by people who either don't play much or don't know what they are doing

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TheVoyant#3002 wrote:

I was running Rarity on every piece, Rarity Gem.
I've had 3 Raw Divines drop TOTAL.

I finally just took it off the gear entirely and virtually no difference.
Just feels like Rarity is worthless.

Because rarity doesn't impact currency drops in PoE1

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Johny_Snow#4778 wrote:

It is an echo chamber, simple as that. I am doing Betrayal now for fast levels and in about a day I farmed ~ 20 divines from just allflame embers. The drops are amazing, the no-loot myth is perpetuated by people who either don't play much or don't know what they are doing

You are wrong. You are farming things which has a fixed droprate. Not everyone is enjoying delirium / sanctum / betrayal. Nobody is talking about fixed drops. You can make easily 50 div with a day farming beasts doesn´t mean the game is in a good state.

Its about killing monsters in your map and getting their loot which is missing. Thats why most people farming strongboxes or ultimatum. Nobody cares how much currency x person does this league. Also fortress is popular beause the barrels in that map drop better than the whole map itself.

Would you rather everybody go risk scarabs again? Cause that was the thing last league. Now, by the way you frame things, there are many more ways to make bank.

As I said before, I don't care if some people think the loot is acceptable — the vast majority disagree. Stop trying to convince people that the current loot situation is acceptable.

I agree with most players on this issue, so what outsiders think doesn't matter to me. If some of you come armed with lots of Divines in an attempt to convince others that the loot is good, I'm afraid it won't work because I have them too. But not from loot.

I just wanted to know if someone from GGG could answer the question. So, I will answer the question again.

Is the current state of loot planned for future leagues?

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FalkenRaiding#1068 wrote:

Not sure where this brain-washed "no loot" sentiment comes from. Streamers?
The people that claim it's the worst it's ever been, clearly don't remember when once you couldn't even sustain T16s (yes, it was like that once).

I think a few leagues spoiled people and it set the bar too high for what the expect in raw drops (without crafting, converting etc.). Affliction was the most obvious sinner, but even the flat 25% player quant we had last league isn't seen as a bonus, but an expectation for the league to follow.

I don't get it. It's a grind game.
Loot still drops, albeit it less quick'n'dirty.
Keep grinding. No loot on the forums.

Even if GGG answered your question personally, what good would that do? What would the answer be worth?
Haven't you noticed that nothing GGG has ever said has ever happened, and that the programmers are incapable of programming even the simplest things correctly?
In other words, they don't know what they're doing.
Haven't you noticed that just because someone says something, it means absolutely nothing, and that here on earth, every single person does what they want anyway?
The only thing that has any value here is what someone does, and as long as someone says something and then does exactly what they said and the exact physical reality of what they said comes out, it's simply worthless! Everything else is just smoke and mirrors!

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Buddhicinclusion#6476 wrote:

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FalkenRaiding#1068 wrote:

Not sure where this brain-washed "no loot" sentiment comes from. Streamers?
The people that claim it's the worst it's ever been, clearly don't remember when once you couldn't even sustain T16s (yes, it was like that once).

I think a few leagues spoiled people and it set the bar too high for what the expect in raw drops (without crafting, converting etc.). Affliction was the most obvious sinner, but even the flat 25% player quant we had last league isn't seen as a bonus, but an expectation for the league to follow.

I don't get it. It's a grind game.
Loot still drops, albeit it less quick'n'dirty.
Keep grinding. No loot on the forums.

Even if GGG answered your question personally, what good would that do? What would the answer be worth?
Haven't you noticed that nothing GGG has ever said has ever happened, and that the programmers are incapable of programming even the simplest things correctly?
In other words, they don't know what they're doing.
Haven't you noticed that just because someone says something, it means absolutely nothing, and that here on earth, every single person does what they want anyway?
The only thing that has any value here is what someone does, and as long as someone says something and then does exactly what they said and the exact physical reality of what they said comes out, it's simply worthless! Everything else is just smoke and mirrors!

To clarify what I mean.
It seems to me that the GGG regularly forgets its own statements made to the public, as if it only had a short-term memory, or at least rejects these plans internally without telling the public.
But promising something to the public and then, when you don't follow through, informing the public that it's not the plan to follow through anymore is practically a slap in the face!
There are countless such statements from GGG in recent years, but then something completely different was implemented in the game itself.
And when GGG says, and they have made this statement, that every player should be free to interact with the content they enjoy and ignore any other content, then it's just a slap in the face that this shitty current league mechanic is spread across half the maps, so that I'm forced to interact with the shit.

there is loot and 'loot'

right now what we have:


- fixed drops (harvest, beasts, syndicate etc)
- delayed drops (incubators, tree)
- boss drops
- random floor loot - currency and wearable items


that last one - wearable items, non-currency, esp rares - are completely gone. the best course of action is to hide ALL rares that drop and can be spawned by the tree

add to that that most items players wear cannot drop naturally anyway - and ground rares are GONE. this is pretty shit feeling in loot based game. in POE you no longer hunt items to wear and get powerful. you either craft them or buy them.

it is pretty dumb situation

i couldnt care less about people addicted to dropping stacks of Locks using strats that were so broken it is not even funny. if less currency drops - everything costs less. the numbers go down, the value stays. droping 2 divs per map is suddenly exciting again, in previous patch people couldnt care less and filtered lesser currency

current economy seems healthier than ever. few people 'lost all motivation to play because no raw mirrors farm' but their pain is - in general - far less important than keeping game void of absurd idiocies like evolving alvas and stuff


the true issue remains - rare items you drop are COMPLETELY pointless. it is no longer an exaggeration. excluding types that cannot drop from the tree - there is ZERO reason to keep them visible

in a loot based game