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There are tons of defense mechanics in builds. And devs talk a lot about immersion, classes...
but i guesss...

no one considered that - there are no truly melee dps fantasy builds.

i mean.. there are 95% of melee users using unlimited power warcry shield + iron will + stacking str and battlemage cry to convert str going to spells to going back to melee and mostly there's no other way to build around melee slam builds

95% or more people going the same build changing just one or two items but based on the same mechanics. and at max it goes to two options and there's no one on poe ninja using any different on the viable top. By viable i mean if smh is few times better it's only viable build as everything in poe 1 is about zooming and balancing - min/maxing time to grind/exp/earning.

and for this league EVERYONE on tectonic slam of cataclysm are runing the same build based on power chargers - the same staff, same tree, same mechanics.

there's even any real variety of builds? or we just dreaming about poe has how much complex building at and end it ends with the same builds at all?


I want to see truly "fantasy" about berserker melee class without any magical stuff inside, without energy shield or converting spell dmg to melee dmg with str stracking with some weird logic conversion.. why even we are forced to convert everything into everything else to just convert it again to return to the point of starting? i just think it's pseudo-intelligent routine to make everything complicated but at all we are ending on simple ending where we started.

Mele phys Impale + Bleeding.

So, first and foremost: looking at the softcore trade ladder on poe.ninja is a terrible way to see what is and isn't viable. All you're going to see is what's popular, which usually means what's easy (either because zero button gameplay or because a guide exists which removes all thought). If you're going to use poe.ninja to determine game balance, I strongly suggest you change it over to HCSSF to filter out... well, the kinds of people you want to filter out.

Secondly, we're more than 3 months into the league so the CURRENT ladder isn't even an indicator of anything; every single person who wants a mageblood got one a long time ago.

Thirdly, you can absolutely play Ground Slam, Sunder, Boneshatter, etc as pure physical melee bruiser if you want, even as a league starter, and take it all the way to pinnacle bosses. No conversion or stat stacking needed.

I know there's some irony in me, a random dude from the internet saying this, but you really should stop listening to random dudes from the internet. Play the game and learn stuff for yourself, it's the best way to realize how hilariously wrong a lot of self-described PoE experts are about a lot of things.

Why are you looking for confirmation on PoE ninja or anywhere else? Is it really so hard for you to just.....make the build you want to play? Who cares what the "others" are doing, it has no effect on you!

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

So, first and foremost: looking at the softcore trade ladder on poe.ninja is a terrible way to see what is and isn't viable. All you're going to see is what's popular, which usually means what's easy (either because zero button gameplay or because a guide exists which removes all thought). If you're going to use poe.ninja to determine game balance, I strongly suggest you change it over to HCSSF to filter out... well, the kinds of people you want to filter out.

Secondly, we're more than 3 months into the league so the CURRENT ladder isn't even an indicator of anything; every single person who wants a mageblood got one a long time ago.

Thirdly, you can absolutely play Ground Slam, Sunder, Boneshatter, etc as pure physical melee bruiser if you want, even as a league starter, and take it all the way to pinnacle bosses. No conversion or stat stacking needed.

I know there's some irony in me, a random dude from the internet saying this, but you really should stop listening to random dudes from the internet. Play the game and learn stuff for yourself, it's the best way to realize how hilariously wrong a lot of self-described PoE experts are about a lot of things.

I would love to see a side by side race of a sunder/ground slam berserker going to 4 voidstones against a real build.

I've played boneshatter too many times to even consider that something I ever want to do in the future. The single target is just too bad through progression.

I love the bro's who say "you can take a slam build all the way" yeah, bro you can. The problem is and I was explaining this in another thread similar to this that I started and raged in was for example at depth 600 in delve using my jugg str stack dual strike I can stand there like milking a cow using stupid spell damage and chaos damage and kill a guy in a couple of mins (they have tons of hp) then when I play a zerker, war cry ground slam with top end gear on standard so my staff was like 1800 dps, legacy this and that I have to bounce around, mash 3-4 buttons continually and from this the life regen is crap because it's a slam not a constant and it took me almost 26 minutes. Yeah, I think every build in the game is probably viable for killing everything in the game but its absolutely crap that something so cool like a big ass slam from a big ass melee guy which SHOULD be tanky but isn't as all his points are vested in making fkn warcries quicker, stronger etc looks and feels like a piece of paper but with no damage to match. Paper/glass cannon usually refers to someone with a ton of damage but no, they do not have this. Balance hasn't been here for years lots of them. THey just need to buff the slam, ditch warcry as it's basically pointless other than battlemages which really shouldnt be something for a melee class.. they wont, they never do, they'll make tiny changes that wont do jack. They should also just remove mace .. I wont get into that, such a wicked weapon with no real value in the game.

Peace - sorry about the wall of text.

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jsuslak313 wrote:

Why are you looking for confirmation on PoE ninja or anywhere else? Is it really so hard for you to just.....make the build you want to play? Who cares what the "others" are doing, it has no effect on you!

^ this 11/10

People are so damn focused enough on Poe ninja, max roll and other terrible bait websites to think that only the listed builds work and everything else is not viable at all.
Meanwhile in reality you can make a lot of other builds work and perform more than amazing enough to do all the games content.

While Poe ninja can be used as a great source of inspiration of what others do with skill x it should still be used with caution and a grain of salt. A build that works for one player might be another players nightmare.

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

I would love to see a side by side race of a sunder/ground slam berserker going to 4 voidstones against a real build.

I've played boneshatter too many times to even consider that something I ever want to do in the future. The single target is just too bad through progression.

It's been a while since I looked at a MostPositiveMan stream, maybe a question for him when he comes back. He's played sunder many times even after the nerf.

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Pashid wrote:

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jsuslak313 wrote:

Why are you looking for confirmation on PoE ninja or anywhere else? Is it really so hard for you to just.....make the build you want to play? Who cares what the "others" are doing, it has no effect on you!

^ this 11/10

People are so damn focused enough on Poe ninja, max roll and other terrible bait websites to think that only the listed builds work and everything else is not viable at all.
Meanwhile in reality you can make a lot of other builds work and perform more than amazing enough to do all the games content.

While Poe ninja can be used as a great source of inspiration of what others do with skill x it should still be used with caution and a grain of salt. A build that works for one player might be another players nightmare.

And then they complain about build diversity while rolling the same starter for leagues in a row and in perpetuity.. :D

Devil's advocate here: how much hate would there be if Replica Alberon's boots were removed from the game with no compensation? Perhaps such a change is needed for the absurd garbage of melee offensive + defensive performance to be made...more obvious to everyone.