Help with Stat Groups on Trade

I'm trying to set up a search on the trade website that will find three triple-notable chaos damage large cluster jewels that are roughly the same. Here's a picture:

"Count" is obviously the wrong choice but I don't understand how to use the other stat group options to my advantage or even how they work.

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NobleConfidant wrote:

I'm trying to set up a search on the trade website that will find three triple-notable chaos damage large cluster jewels that are roughly the same. Here's a picture:

"Count" is obviously the wrong choice but I don't understand how to use the other stat group options to my advantage or even how they work.

I only just learned that the stat groups have a little explanation text if you the group type and hover the (?) next to it.

Count isn't really a wrong choice, but you'd want to use it to find part of a set of options. Rather than setting up multiple Count groups you could achieve the same effect with a single group.

It doesn't seem to be as much use here because you're looking for specific sets of 3 notable passives, but there is also a Pseudo stat that you can add as a stat filter to look for jewels with a certain number of notable passives.

Example: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Settlers/4pkz7qwT9

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Count isn't really a wrong choice, but you'd want to use it to find part of a set of options. Rather than setting up multiple Count groups you could achieve the same effect with a single group.

The problem here is that I don't want Unspeakable Gifts and Dark Ideation on the same jewel - I want one of these to take the notable in the back. But I suppose, then, that I can just use the "Not" option and remove this option?

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Settlers/Mp7wMDPIJ

But this seems to just remove the two mods.

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NobleConfidant wrote:

The problem here is that I don't want Unspeakable Gifts and Dark Ideation on the same jewel - I want one of these to take the notable in the back.

Ah, I wasn't aware that would be an issue. That's slightly little more complicated.

One method would be to use a Weighted Sum.

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Settlers/Orj0BR8tE
https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Settlers/ya4zOd8sR

Weighted Sum can be complicated to use with some stats because it multiplies the stat value by the weight. For modifiers like this, though, they count as having a stat value of 1, making them easier to account for together.

First link: By setting the weight of Unspeakable Gifts and Dark Ideation to 1 and the weight of Unholy Grace and Wicked Pall to 2, and looking for a minimum sum of 3, you guarantee that you won't see a result of Unspeakable Gifts and Dark Ideation together.

Second link: A different way of approaching it with a Weighted Sum is to give Unspeakable Gifts and Dark Ideation a weight 1 of, and looking for results with a maximum sum of 1.



You will still see results with both Unholy Grace and Wicked Pall, in which case Unholy Grace would take the spot in the back. If this result is also undesirable, you could use two Count groups with a max of 1 instead.

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Settlers/mdazrqaf6

From there, you can also just click the box to the left of "1 Added Passive Skill is Wicked Pall" to disable that line in the search if you want to specifically search for one that has Unholy Grace in the front.

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Jadian wrote:

Weighted Sum can be complicated to use with some stats because it multiplies the stat value by the weight. For modifiers like this, though, they count as having a stat value of 1, making them easier to account for together.

First link: By setting the weight of Unspeakable Gifts and Dark Ideation to 1 and the weight of Unholy Grace and Wicked Pall to 2, and looking for a minimum sum of 3, you guarantee that you won't see a result of Unspeakable Gifts and Dark Ideation together.

Second link: A different way of approaching it with a Weighted Sum is to give Unspeakable Gifts and Dark Ideation a weight 1 of, and looking for results with a maximum sum of 1.

Just what I wanted! Thanks for your time.

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Jadian wrote:

You will still see results with both Unholy Grace and Wicked Pall, in which case Unholy Grace would take the spot in the back. If this result is also undesirable, you could use two Count groups with a max of 1 instead.

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Settlers/mdazrqaf6

From there, you can also just click the box to the left of "1 Added Passive Skill is Wicked Pall" to disable that line in the search if you want to specifically search for one that has Unholy Grace in the front.

The 10% IAS on Unholy Grace is definitely preferable but I wanted to cut costs. Although, it would've been a lot easier otherwise, lol.