Demon Form

The Strange / tl;dr

-Demon Form nukes your spirit and turns off essentially every spirit gem you have. Human Form I have 166 spirit, Demon puts me at 30 and turns off all my supports.
-Despite above note, Raging Spirits is still active sometimes? Inconsistent.
-Putting support gems in Demon form that the game even recommends at the gem-cutting screen that require additional spirit reservation (IE; Vitality ) makes the button not even work
-Weapons provide no bonus in demon form but scepter passives still seem to work (IE; Malice)

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Been playing infernalist revolving around Demon Form and have encountered a couple of things that have me kind of scratching my head that I'm not entirely sure is meant to work as it does currently.
The the kiss/curse of Demon Form is working just fine from what I've seen. The Stacking Demonfire buff lets you absolutely shred things at the cost of rotting increasingly harder the deeper you stay in the form. The problem with where I'm at with leveling is I've been incorporating a few summons to take the heat off of me and when I want to go big with Demon, they get deleted and has led to a couple of really awkward moments. The real pain point now is I've just unlocked the Blasphemy(curse aura) spirit gem and have it slotted with flammability cause I'm using a ton of fire skills. Losing it in demon form feels pretty bad. Not sure what entirely is intentional but don't see a lot of folks being fellow Demonform enjoyers so figured I'd add my 2 cents here. It still feels like a functional and incredibly fun skill because I love transformation skills in these kinds of games, but there's just an odd feeling of 'something doesn't seem to be working right' when using it. I've only done the first ascendancy trial so I just have the initial 2 points but I was also eyeballing the hellhound and given what I've seen already I don't imagine it will work in Demon Form which would also be awkward. Maybe the 30 spirit I have in form will actually be used for the dog(s)?

demon form (and all shapeshifting) turns off your weapon and off hand. your main hand probably gives 100 spirit, which would be lost when in form. any minions used by the spirit you have normally stick around (your raging spirits is probably on your default 30, so it works in form)

I have an offhand that gives +36% spirit so even without it I should still have ~106 spirit to work with but the shapeshift dunks me to 30 :\

edit; just noticed I was getting a bunch from my scepter. Whoops

The reservation settings for Demon Form are fucked up.

I have grim feast, blasphemy, blink and some skeletal clerics as reservations.

After I got the demon form and turned it on, casting hexblast or other spells instantly turned demon form off for some reason. That part somehow solved itself with no change on my part afaik, after i left the map that i first used demon form in, it stopped changing me out.

But the demon form reservations were still fucked up. I got a new checkbox for the demon form in the skill settings next to the weapon set checkboxes, but those don't work properly. I had some of them reserved, but idk based on what, because the checkboxes were either ignored, or, after some playing around with them, i couldn't even tick them at all. Initially some reservations were active in demon form, but i managed to tick them off while in demon form, restoring me to max spirit, but then I couldn't tick any of them on. But at that point I tried right clicking on the reservation skills while in demon form to turn the ones i wanted on, and then it worked.

So my state is currently fine and working, but there definitely is scuff that needs to be bugfixed.

Edit: Also, when I added Vitality directly to the Demon Form skill, it didn't work. I had 22 free spirit in demon form, yet it didn't reserve the 20 for vitality when i changed to demon form.

Edit2: Btw, it's not even a good powerup with a good weapon, as you lose the bonuses including the levels you would get from a wand for example. So it just breaks even or so while giving you a degen.

Just posting reply for visibility. Indeed it seems most support gems just simply don't work in Demon Form, even tried with Canibalism to see if I could sustain longer and it's the same issue as Herbalism and Vitality.
It's a wonder Ingenuity works, but maybe cause the CD is trigger in human form.

Would be really nice to try sort these things out, I've been to worried to play with the weapon/transformation passive sets due to the inconsistency of things working in Demon Form.

It's a real shame as I love the aesthetic of demon form and the Surrender to Madness playstyle.

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GladiusMax#5027 wrote:

Just posting reply for visibility. Indeed it seems most support gems just simply don't work in Demon Form, even tried with Canibalism to see if I could sustain longer and it's the same issue as Herbalism and Vitality.
It's a wonder Ingenuity works, but maybe cause the CD is trigger in human form.

Would be really nice to try sort these things out, I've been to worried to play with the weapon/transformation passive sets due to the inconsistency of things working in Demon Form.

It's a real shame as I love the aesthetic of demon form and the Surrender to Madness playstyle.

Just for reference, as I said, I did get reservations to work for me, I just had to use them on a separate skill and mess around with toggling/setting them while inside demon form. So I do have a cannibalism on my grim feast that is working.

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GladiusMax#5027 wrote:

Just posting reply for visibility. Indeed it seems most support gems just simply don't work in Demon Form, even tried with Canibalism to see if I could sustain longer and it's the same issue as Herbalism and Vitality.
It's a wonder Ingenuity works, but maybe cause the CD is trigger in human form.

Would be really nice to try sort these things out, I've been to worried to play with the weapon/transformation passive sets due to the inconsistency of things working in Demon Form.

It's a real shame as I love the aesthetic of demon form and the Surrender to Madness playstyle.

Im having the same issue with all the support gems on demon form, im trying spellcaster no minions so i have 60 free spirit so that is not an issue, cannibalism does not work at all and it also feels like the increased mana regen and 1% hp per second while in DF do not work either. I've also tried cannibalism on its own with no other gems and it does not work.

Great fun to play with but needs some fixes.

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InstantMayhem#7538 wrote:

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GladiusMax#5027 wrote:

Just posting reply for visibility. Indeed it seems most support gems just simply don't work in Demon Form, even tried with Canibalism to see if I could sustain longer and it's the same issue as Herbalism and Vitality.
It's a wonder Ingenuity works, but maybe cause the CD is trigger in human form.

Would be really nice to try sort these things out, I've been to worried to play with the weapon/transformation passive sets due to the inconsistency of things working in Demon Form.

It's a real shame as I love the aesthetic of demon form and the Surrender to Madness playstyle.

Im having the same issue with all the support gems on demon form, im trying spellcaster no minions so i have 60 free spirit so that is not an issue, cannibalism does not work at all and it also feels like the increased mana regen and 1% hp per second while in DF do not work either. I've also tried cannibalism on its own with no other gems and it does not work.

Great fun to play with but needs some fixes.

What mana regen? Hover your mouse over the demon form skill in the skills tab to see what it gives.
Or do you mean you think it turns off your other sources of mana regen from the tree/gear? Because it does disable your weapon/offhand slots, you if you have mana regen on those, those indeed get disabled.

To be fair, it's not written ingame anywhere that it disables your weapon+offhand, so that's another issue that should be changed.

Why does Demon Form even turn disable your weapon + offhand slots? It seems like a weird decision to do so when you could lose attributes that prevent you from casting spells.

+1
Vitality, Clarity, Canibalism still do not work