Legacy of Phrecia change for Puppeteer, because of permanent Zombie Builds

Hi there,

The notable Graveyard Shift will completely remove the ability to play a Zombiemancer, but you obviously have to take it to reach the Flesh Puppets notable.
Every corpse explosion enemy will kill you, Strongboxes as well, and Offerings will be super annoying to use.
My suggestion would be making the Graveyard Shift and Flesh Puppets notables a two-pointer, because why not? The Marionettes notable is way stronger than Flesh Puppets and it's also a two-pointer.
Please make it happen, because the Graveyard Shift notable just screws us Zombie enjoyers.

Thanks in advance for your time and effort, it's very much appreciated!

Much Love, Health, and Peace to ya'll!

Kind regards, Axzantos

I have a dream! :-D

I would really love a response on this from the team. 4 levels is great for the campaign but not overly powerful for any aspect of the game.

puppeteer, behemoth and antiquarian are still trapped with anti-synergy nodes.


puppeteer: zombies being considered corpse is basically a death trap due to detonate dead, would make more sense to put something like cant use any other minion other than zombies as a drawback.


behemoth: new is a bit more flexible but still has very bad sinergy and it basically force the player into group play to bypass the penalties... rampager penalty should be unaffected by allys auras and a big increase to spells and warcries cost and reservation to limit their use.

antiquarian: str gain in Goliath Knuckle was never the problem, The problem is the "no int" mod. It break everything and force any build using it into Supreme Ostentation which is horrible. Would be much better with 70-90% less INT as a mod.

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Iamterribleatnames#6579 wrote:

puppeteer, behemoth and antiquarian are still trapped with anti-synergy nodes.


puppeteer: zombies being considered corpse is basically a death trap due to detonate dead, would make more sense to put something like cant use any other minion other than zombies as a drawback.


behemoth: new is a bit more flexible but still has very bad sinergy and it basically force the player into group play to bypass the penalties... rampager penalty should be unaffected by allys auras and a big increase to spells and warcries cost and reservation to limit their use.

antiquarian: str gain in Goliath Knuckle was never the problem, The problem is the "no int" mod. It break everything and force any build using it into Supreme Ostentation which is horrible. Would be much better with 70-90% less INT as a mod.

The Antiquarian notable's point is to force you to either take Supreme Ostentation, find a Forbidden Flame/Flesh combo to skip it, or to play a build without Intelligence gems (which is also possible).

Another option is to reduce Attribute requirements at which point Intelligence is no longer a relevant stat (Crystallised Omniscience)

Elegant Hubris is just the easiest way to mitigate the downside of the node but there are more ways than you acknowledge

Todays changes:

Flesh Puppets now has "+5 to Level of all Raise Zombie Gems" (previously +4) and now also has "50% increased Raised Zombie Size" (previously 25%)
Graveyard Shift now has "30% Increased maximum number of Raised Zombies"

Will the old Graveyard Shift Be Replaced?

"For each nearby corpse, 1% increased Movement Speed
Raise Zombie does not require a corpse
Your Raised Zombies count as corpses"

Because that would be amazing!
Can someone confirm this?

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Axzantos#6012 wrote:

Will the old Graveyard Shift Be Replaced?

doubt it.....when GGG says "now has", typically that is "in addition to" what was already there.

If they remove anything, they explicitly say "replacing" or "no longer has", which they did in multiple other ascendancy changes.

Those nodes are not meant for permanent zombies, they are meant for a specific zombie playstyle and they are rather huge for that style. And sort of meme-worthy, with the 50% increased size. Giant exploding zombies!

Ex build for this style:
https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/phrecia/character/farmerB-2165/LoP_farmerB?i=0&search=class%3DPuppeteer%26keystones%3DGraveyard%2BShift%252CFlesh%2BPuppets%26sort%3Dlevel

Or any of these (didn't check PoB's)
https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/phrecia?class=Puppeteer&keystones=Graveyard+Shift%2CFlesh+Puppets&sort=level

Not easy builds.....but they are niche like many Phrecia creations.

Well, i guess I won't play it then. Unfortunately, you have to path through to get the desired +5. I hope they would make these two-pointers so you can play both styles. I know about exploding zombies, but i hate that playstyle. I want to play permanent minions with explode AG. Guess I have to go the chaos route and play the same again as last event. I really don't understand why this only buffs one playstyle, not all. It's such an easy change, but i guess they don't like certain builds and/or Creators.

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Axzantos#6012 wrote:

Well, i guess I won't play it then. Unfortunately, you have to path through to get the desired +5. I hope they would make these two-pointers so you can play both styles. I know about exploding zombies, but i hate that playstyle.

The puppeteer offers EXCELLENT tech for perma minions. Just not those two nodes.

Phrecia ascendancies are very much like the new bloodlines: they do things REALLY well....but they are rather narrowly focused at times.