Why is holy sweep so bad?

Just took a look at the numbers, and could see the attack speed is just 0.7 of base, and base damage is also LOWER than old sweep.

Weren't we restoring sweep to its former glory? It looks completely dead on arrival. Really sad to see all these cool spells always be super low damage / speed. No, the random added hammers don't make up for the damage.

Also why can't I use swords to SWEEP? Makes no sense that a hammer can "sweep" but a sword can't.

I really wanted to play Holy Sweep this league but I guess we will have to wait till the next "Meta Shakeup" again.

Guess we're all just going to play the same stale KB stuff again. Very unfortunate considering how good the other updates are.

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zeddy123#4861 wrote:

Just took a look at the numbers, and could see the attacked speed is just 0.7 of base, and base damage is also LOWER than old sweep.

Probably because it can double-hit by scaling AoE? And because it has way better clear than the old one?

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Probably because it can double-hit by scaling AoE? And because it has way better clear than the old one?

The AOE hit-scaling hasn't changed, it didn't make old sweep meta. Only thing that's changed is we lost 220 % base damage to get random hammers that can strike. We're also converting 50 % of damage to lightning.

On TOP of all that we're now restricting it to maces and scepters (2h) instead of all 2h weapons. That is also a really bad change, and reduces damage/builds as we all know 2h swords are the best bases.

Overall, it's a nerf to the skill, albeit a cool "looking" one.

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zeddy123#4861 wrote:

The AOE hit-scaling hasn't changed

It has, because it now has a secondary "hammer" effect.

It is weird to lose damage to gain damage and lose out on weapon types for the sake of becoming holy. The sad thing is they will probably not look at this skill again if it's dead.

That being said... I might still play it just for old times sake but I don't expect the build to perform well.

the AOE on it, from the previews was soooo tiny.

it is General's Cry skill, i doubt it will see any other use and even that is questionable

with current POE you only care about 'does it shotgun when overscaled' or 'can i multihit'

in this case - you hit with main sweep, and then one hammer.

if there are more targets, you MIGHT get overlap. but dont worry - it is already factored in with that 440% base damage

there is also hydrosphere/worms - but any skill that requires this stuff to deal damage is garbage.

sad, but maybe, just maybe it is at least workable

meanwhile, KF totems will shred everything on a budget less than a cost of a good mace

I agree it's bad.

Overall, it's a slight damage boost 664% > 726%

However, few things have changed. One is 50% lightning convert, the other is limited to fairly bad weapon.

One of the 'perk' of using 2H Mace and Warstaff is SHOCKWAVE SUPPORT.

Both Holy Sweep and Shockwave are limited to the same 2H weapon, but they are not compatible with each other, as shockwave is 100% physical.

It's awkward since you can't utilized Bleed or Impale as Phys, or you can't uses Shockwave because it's awkward conversion.

Sweep also loses it's gimick knockback, which sometimes quite good against dangerous hordes, but it's preference thing.

In Crucible, Sweep was one of skill that have innate potential to get "Reverse Knockback". Not that it matters because how slow it is, and how short the knockback, but there was a time I chase that because I love the idea of full screen AOE sucking blackhole.

Yea, I've been waiting for transfigured Sweep for a veery long time, but now I'm not inspired to try it.

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Yea, I've been waiting for transfigured Sweep for a veery long time, but now I'm not inspired to try it.

Yeah a lot of people were waiting. Idk why GGG doesn't let newer gems be on the "stronger" side. No one would complain if its meta, being a new spell, but 90 % of the new spells are never played in their entire lifespan.

it drives me nuts that they wasted time making several "New skills" that look meh and have sad numbers... you could have spent that time improving the skills nobody is touching for 5-10 leagues?? make sure what u release is usable??? no just nerf the best builds and give nothing to replace them another "same but less" balance