(3.2) [Lighty] 2H RT Cyclone: Dope for Beast League & Lab™

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MagnusSandberg wrote:

Big thanks for the guide. Going as Jugg and it feels good so far.
Would really also like to see a crit jugg three, to maybe change to later on in the 85-90ish i guess? depending on gear ofc.

I've been playing around with it, and it's pretty nice. Juggernaut is extremely tanky, with easy endurance charge generation, which is a huge QoL both not having to worry about Warlord's Mark/Enduring Cry (though you can still use it as a pseudo-heal, especially on hardcore).

There's a lot of room for customization in both the Ascendency and passive tree as well. You can actually take Undeniable (crit route) at any time, but I feel like the damage boost is largely unnecessary until you're in mid-late maps, since raw gear and links can carry your damage up until that point anyway.

I decided to go with Unstoppable -> Unflinching -> Unbreakable -> Undeniable, but really all the ascendancy notables are strong. Unrelenting is fairly competitive with Unbreakable, Unyielding increased AoE is very nice for Cyclone, and you even could potentially drop Unstoppable if you have enough movespeed on gear and don't mind dealing with chill/slow/tempchains (or want to use Kaom's Roots), but I value the QoL.

Still haven't decided the best passive tree for Crit yet, unfortunately there just isn't a lot of support for it on the right side of the tree unless you go staff (which would be fine), but I really like to see how this build plays out with Starforge for shock. Since crit is really just free damage on top of what we would have gotten out of RT anyway, I'm not too worried about min/maxing it, Juggernaut is first and foremost a tank.

Since I'm going full phys and don't need defensive auras, I'm also planning on running dual-curse Vuln + Assassin's Mark (eventually Oskarm), swapping for Enfeeble/TempChains as needed for bosses.

It certainly isn't going to be the fastest or highest DPS build this league, but it's a simple, straightforward, and satisfying one. Since I'm the type of player who likes to tab out to check Discord or rearrange my inventory mid-maps, it's a refreshing change of pace from Slayer's "hurry up and don't waste your buffs" playstyle.

I played Crit Cyclone Jugg to Level 100.

The tree I used was:




Having a look at recent ranges, I would unspec eagle eye on the main tree since Undeniable got buffed. Since I was using Kaoms heart as a chest, I went with the Endurance Charge pathing and the movement speed as my other ascendancy points.

Damage was not as good as Raider of Pathfinder, but it was very tanky in general.

I was using an exquisite blade.

For Starforge-based crit, you definitely are going to want to slap cyclone in an Elder Chest with +1.5% base crit to make up for the weak 5% base crit of the weapon. The issue with Cyclone is that it rolls al the crits per attack, not per hit, so you can get stuck in long, non-crit cyclones. You want it to be as consistent as possible. For Starforge I would 100% use the following links:

1. Cyclone
2. Melee Physical Damage
3. Maim
4. Increased Critical Strikes.

Beyond that, you have some other good candidates.

5. Brutality - Good choice for simplicity, best if you have great rings with essenced crit multi. If not, double Mings Heart with other options might be better.

6. Endurance Charge on Melee Stun - With Death's Door and +2 on tree, Jugg gets at least 6 EC which will be 18% more damage given its recent buff of 3% more dmg per EC.

7. Conc Effect - If you have enough weapon range (daressos, +1 elder gloves) the reduced AOE is not even noticeable and its a tremendous boost.

8. Fortify- For the defensively-minded.

9. Chance to Bleed- I dont really think its all that great. Good clearing boost as it finishes off packs, but its not great on bosses at all, even in full bleed spec (Crimson dance, Red Storm, Bloodletting).

10. Faster Attacks- An old classic if you have not much attack speed anywhere else.

11. Damage on Full Life - Decent option but I feel its better for Slayer, not Jugg.

For my non-crit setup, I settled on Cyclone, Melee Physical, Endurance Charge on Melee Stun, Brutality, Maim and Concentrated Effect. I swap maim for fortify if I feel too lazy to proc fortify.

The other question is whether to use blood magic or not.

Blood Magic is more defensive, mana-based is more offensive.

I like:
- Blood Magic + Oscarm
- Mana-based with +1 curse additional amulet (Vulnerability and Assassin's Mark).

You really want to try to get 2 curses. Vuln and Ass Mark are big DPS boosts.

I remembered you'd been playing Crit Juggernaut for some time, and figured you'd weigh in at some point.

I've looked at going to the Ranger side, though mostly stuck to the traditional "left side of the tree" build path so far. Moving to the right definitely picks up a lot more damage via crit, whereas mine uses those points on more raw damage/health/regen. I don't have a very good handle as to exactly how tanky the build will be late game, so I could very well be over doing it, though right now there's not a whole lot of point in going all that way until I actually have Starforge anyway.

As far as Supports go, I really like the ECoMS change, though it doesn't really fit into this build very well.

Hey

Playing jugg this league, and Craiceann's Carapace seems really busted.. It even replaces death's door as it prevents bleeding and doesn't even seem to have a downside, also doesn't seem too expensive for what it gives. Anybody try it ? I think I might go for it and sell my death's door back..

can i use dual wielding for this?....
like changing the 2h damage for dual wield or 1h

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Shuggananas wrote:

Hey

Playing jugg this league, and Craiceann's Carapace seems really busted.. It even replaces death's door as it prevents bleeding and doesn't even seem to have a downside, also doesn't seem too expensive for what it gives. Anybody try it ? I think I might go for it and sell my death's door back..

Between the life, armor, resists and bleed immunity, it's definitely a good chest, but I'm not sure you really need it at all, since Aspect of the Crab isn't worth nearly as much to a Juggernaut.

Death's Door, on the other hand, trades the life for an extra endurance charge, which you may or may not value as highly depending on your particular build.

I think it's comparatively better than Death's Door, but there's also better competition for the slot; Kaom's or Brass Dome would be tankier, while there are a number of good DPS chests. Outside of uniques, best case would probably be a well rolled Elder rare with +support level, +crit, or +life/regen.

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Archimtiros wrote:

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Shuggananas wrote:

Hey

Playing jugg this league, and Craiceann's Carapace seems really busted.. It even replaces death's door as it prevents bleeding and doesn't even seem to have a downside, also doesn't seem too expensive for what it gives. Anybody try it ? I think I might go for it and sell my death's door back..

Between the life, armor, resists and bleed immunity, it's definitely a good chest, but I'm not sure you really need it at all, since Aspect of the Crab isn't worth nearly as much to a Juggernaut.

Death's Door, on the other hand, trades the life for an extra endurance charge, which you may or may not value as highly depending on your particular build.

I think it's comparatively better than Death's Door, but there's also better competition for the slot; Kaom's or Brass Dome would be tankier, while there are a number of good DPS chests. Outside of uniques, best case would probably be a well rolled Elder rare with +support level, +crit, or +life/regen.

Yeah I've been thinking of going brass dome this league again, got a really good astral plate so far and I'd lose plenty of stats getting a dome now. Need to get the missing res on my gear before I make the switch. Dome is also super expensive for now, it was worth pennies when I bought it in the last league I played.

if you run juggernaut skip lightning coil and throw on a brass dome and abussus, i whould also recommend hezmanas axe over anything uniqe exept ofc disfavor, that if you run axes, also some changes in the skilltree for axe dmg buff

I've always been in love with Cyclone builds. They go like knife in butter. :D

About this build, I don't see the reason for CWDT setup (IC in particular) since I'm playing as Slayer and I don't know how to gain EC so far. Anybody can enlighten me about it please? :D

Thanks.

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Dragonide wrote:

I've always been in love with Cyclone builds. They go like knife in butter. :D

About this build, I don't see the reason for CWDT setup (IC in particular) since I'm playing as Slayer and I don't know how to gain EC so far. Anybody can enlighten me about it please? :D

Thanks.

As the displayed in the guide, a low-level CWDT-Warlords Mark is the primary means. You can also use Red Dream or Shaped boots, but they tend to be prohibitively expensive. For boss encounters, use Enduring Cry or ECoMS, though the latter is mediocre without a lot of charges to back it up.