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Tried a Pledge build using Scales of Esh - some observations:

1) Really need Feeding Frenzy for mapping over Deathmark. Like a previous poster mentioned, they sometimes just idle around otherwise. If you need the boss dps, you can swap it to deathmark for bosses.

2) At first, the Scales little mini summon when they do the lightning warp thing was cute - each one makes 3 little guys, so having 12 free walls of meat isn't too bad (they don't do any damage really, just sorta sit there and occasionally take hits). With Pledge though, they echo that twice, and it seems each of those summons the minis, because I've had WAY more than 12 around me at one time (not sure if I have the full 36 or not). It's to the point where it actually hurts my ability to see/dodge.


The scales definitely feel more tanky than slave drivers, which might be good in this league with the super high damage on delirium, but I'm kinda hoping for another altnerative spectre.

Thank you for your help, I got an esh spider to try out.

Double post because of a bad gateway error, sorry.

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kayella wrote:

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RaPsKa wrote:

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KungFuPanda2 wrote:

Hi guys so what are the best spectres for end game bossing and mapping now ? havent played spectres in years.. and I have no idea about the new 300 spectres added.. did any1 find anything better then solar guards ? are solar guards best for end game buffed maps ?

THX

I read that Solar guards fro clear and Slave drivers for boss are still best. Lets hope someone finds something better in the "over 350 spectres GG added. Still a lot of testing going on out there hopefully there will be a new king crowned.

I've done a lot of testing and almost everything is bad. A lot of the new spectres have big numbers in poedb, but they also have very long cast times or long cooldown or both.

Here's an example:

Solar Guard
Fireball
Deals 1574 to 2437 Fire Damage
Cast Time: 0.85 Second

1851-2867 DPS


Frost Sentinel
Ice Spear
Deals 1009 to 1513 Cold Damage
Cast Time: 0.85 Second

1187-1780 DPS


Snowcaller (Redeemer monsters)
MonsterProjectileSpell
Deals 1585 to 2378 Cold Damage
Cast Time: 1.33 Second

1191-1787 DPS


Another problem is some have a lot of abilities, so they will switch between different spells. Baranite Thaumaturge is one of the worst because its ground aoe takes 4 seconds to cast! Most of the old school spectres only use one ability so you get continuous DPS.

Thanks Kay for your ongoing responses and updates regarding new spectres. I see you maybe using melee spectres right now?

I created an excel to calculate dps, as per PoeDB. The results are kinda' disappointing, Slave Drivers are still highest DPS, new spectres are worse then frost sentinels.

Here are my results:

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Monster Min Dmg Max Dmg Cast Time Multiplier DPS Base DPS Total
Slave Driver 1461 4384 0.5 1 5845 5845
Frost Sentinel 1009 1513 0.85 1.2 1484 1781
Solar Guard 1574 3128 0.85 1.12 2766 3098
Merveil Blessed 1840 2769 0.75 1.02 3073 3134
Mindweave Sentinel 1 2104 3156 1.5 1.2 1753 2104
Scale of Esh 1189 3567 0.75 1.2 3171 3805
Goatman Fire Raiser 1745 2707 0.85 1 2619 2619
Frosal Synthete 1 1356 2035 1.33 1.5 1275 1913
Frosal Synthete 2 995 1493 1 1.5 1244 1866
Scinteel Synthete 1 847 2543 1.33 1.5 1274 1911
Scinteel Synthete 2 516 1549 1 1.5 1033 1550
Scinteel Synthete 3 333 619 1 1 476 476
Fractal Gargantuan 1268 1902 1 1.34 1585 2124
RVA Lightning 941 2823 1.2 1.5 1568 2352
RVA Fire 1338 2007 1.2 1.5 1394 2091
RVA Chaos 391 587 1.2 1.5 408 612

Formulas used:
DPS Base: (MinDmg + MaxDmg)/(2 * Cast Time)
DPS Total: DPS_Base * Multiplier

Note: Merveil's Blessed has 3 sec CD on Frostbolt, might be good with POH.

Hello all.

What u think witch one be stronger?
Classic necro with 5 x Spectres or Spider build?

Now i play with 5 SD and it's good but want know with better?)

im using the spider build.. do i still use spirit offering after the change or use other offering gem? btw evf are awesome. 2 shotting t12 bosses atm :) you can desecrate evf in lunaris temple act 8 if u didnt know that.

Sorry for off-topic here, but does anyone have access to Primveal ruins/chamber nodes (or is there any spectre global channel?) so I can desecreate Stoneskin flayers spectres, the reasons I wanted to experiment using the spider build with new physical impale nodes via cluster jewels and add some messy stuffs into PoB.

Hello. What should I focus on for the Amulet besides the +1 to all intelligence skill gems? It seems like Kay's focusing on Dex, Life and some Resist but do I really need Dex if I don't plan on leveling up Phase run. I tried focusing on dex last league and it sucked when i tried to find gear.

Trying the EB & MoM build now when i finally got some exalts.
What skill should i use to trigger all socketed gems?
Starter build i understand coz convocation i use all the time.