[3.21] 🌿Ultimate Claw Poison Pathfinder - Untouchable Viper - Molten Strike update by FEL

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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:

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adrenalburr wrote:

So far enjoying this build as a league start, just a bit lost right now on what to upgrade next.

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Any tips on what item to shoot for next? I can also see why Pestilence Strike is top tier, cobra lash really fell out after i got to mapping. The explosions are also pretty satisfying haha

Go for the 6L Perfect Form then rest of the gear. Upgrade claws later.

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adrenalburr wrote:

So i finally got the 6L Perfect form, took a bit of grinding since i've been a bit unlucky with drops. so would you say next thing to shoot for is the weapons? i'm really starting to feel like my dps is not on par sometimes with some content and exploding sometimes, maybe i'm a bit too trigger happy with the flasks? appreciate your help!

this is my current character on PoB
https://pastebin.com/qacRVerS

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jakejjake wrote:

Thanks so much for posting your builds and guide with these different poison skills.

I do have a question and sort of want your thoughts on it.

I'm wondering if Coralito's Signature that you're using, and any non-crit poison build, isn't a mistake to use.

For starters, I've learned a lot about the poison duration mechanic and I know they've made plenty of changes to it. Increasing your poison duration does increase the overall damage of the dot as it lasts longer so it effectively 'ticks' for more damage. However, there are several things I don't like at all about poison duration as a concept with this.

First, is that the longer your poison duration is, the longer your ramp time is. They are directly equal.

Second, is the fact that cluster jewel passives like:

Low Tolerance
+8% to Damage over Time Multiplier for Poison
Poisons you inflict on non-Poisoned Enemies deal 300% increased Damage

This cluster only really is able to give a boost to your first hit of damage since decreasing the duration of your poisons makes you do less damage. I don't believe there is any way to use this passive effectively aside from using two separate skill gems and switching, but then poisons don't behave well like that.

So, taking that into account, I think you should consider removing Coralito's Signature from your build. It only really has a place in crit builds and in a non-crit build, you'll never get that damage back.

This basically has to do with how combat is, in that you'll never be able to effectively use the flask. It only works on poisons you inflict after the flask effect. So imagine you're doing damage damage, you use the flask, immediately after you use it, you get a burst of increased dps at the cost of whatever increased ramp time it takes to get that.

That's especially impractical in most high dps poison builds seeing as it's hard enough to get the standard ramp time, you'd have to stand still and do nothing but the still for 5, 6, 7 seconds? NOT gonna happen.

The only way to actually effectively use the flash, would be to predict when your enemy is going to make you move beforehand, making your dodging less costly. And I don't know about you, but I can't think of doing that in a fight.


Anyways, that's my recommendation and love the build btw, I'm currently still theorycrafting mine a bit, but I'm interested on your thoughts about this.

Thanks,

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Hi,
this is pretty much what i've explained on the main page.
Scaling duration to unreasonable values just pads total dps value which is unrealistic.
On the other side removing Coralito's is only valid for Viper Strike. It has native long duration and is not needed.

Other skills have sub 5s durations and fighting something like Minotaur with 30 million life has sense to have Coralito's and you can very much tank it all the way with MS.

Even Sirus is affected by poison in his invulnerability phases. You can see that in the Uber melee video.
Also build is meant to push hardest content so in 100% Delirious maps duration matters a lot and bosses don't fall that easy.

Ranged skills while speed mapping can also swap Coralito's for Dying Sun for even more clearspeed.

Poison dps values are scaled as high as they could be so nothing to improve much there.

Feel free to experiment and do the things to your taste.
I hope you will have a good time. :)

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jakejjake wrote:

We can agree that it just pads dps values in POB, but I'm saying that it might actually be lowering your dps in most cases. But I'm only using the Venom Gyre build for now and trying to maximize that cause I love the skill.

The current build you posted for venom gyre has a poison duration of 4 seconds. I'd say that's probably long enough as the flasks lowers your hits by 30% and increases the duration to about 5 secs.

I'm thinking it's just not worth it in almost every scenario (unless using a crit build for the passive points). You'd have to surpass the initial ramp time after using it (4secs) to actually increase your dps.


But yeah you're free to do as you wish, and I will too.
I'll probably use Sin's Rebirth or another flask to remove ailments instead.