Really enjoying this build and appreciate the work that went into it. I will admit though I'm not fully understanding how some things work. I've read and reread the APS and CDR section (including the link) but it's still confusing to me. I'm also a little confused on getting my crit chance to 100%. I feel like a noob and could use some help understanding what needs to be changed, what I'm missing.
I know my belt could be better, I have a 5/20coc (not6), and I'm uncertain about my attack speed on my Cospris. Would love some help/feedback.
https://pastebin.com/1j3t0wq9
1. You need either watcher's eye flat crit OR flat crit on chest.
2. It doesn't make any sense to take accuracy on the amulet (T1 max roll is 480) when your glove can reach 600. Switch res and accuracy rolls from your gloves and amulet.
3. Your boots and belt don't make much sense here too. If you have awakened cast on crit, you do not need any additional CDR mods unless you are going for the 52% breakpoint. Switch out the belt to one similar to mine.
A cheaper alternative will be a crusader belt, the only mid that you miss out on here is the cold damage prefix.
4. You want ailment immunity roll on your boots to reach 100% and become ailment immune. Alteration spam an i86+ shaper + hunter boots for 30-35%MS + T2 avoid elemental ailments (max roll T2 = 100%, you don't need T1). The rest of the crafting steps here are pretty straightforward.
i can't take any CoC build that doesn't have 100% crit chance on cyclone without flasks seriously. even with your end game GG gear you max out at 7 mil DPS because of this flaw. Not 10 mil because your cyclone is only criting 70% of the time. that is very nice. you spend mirrors on a build and all it can do is 7 mil DPS. no wonder lower level players are trying your build and failing. and probably spamming you with questions.
Genuine question. How often do you find yourself without flasks when you are running T16s with sextants, chisel + alched with frags/scarabs? I can understand concerns about having flasks ticked for a HC or league start builds, but not sure how its relevant here. This is an end game build, and the OP doesn't shy away from that fact. You just sound like a cranky old head that takes 7 days to clear a map.
Last edited by BrettLee on Aug 22, 2020, 5:46:27 AM
i can't take any CoC build that doesn't have 100% crit chance on cyclone without flasks seriously. even with your end game GG gear you max out at 7 mil DPS because of this flaw. Not 10 mil because your cyclone is only criting 70% of the time. that is very nice. you spend mirrors on a build and all it can do is 7 mil DPS. no wonder lower level players are trying your build and failing. and probably spamming you with questions.
Genuine question. How often do you find yourself without flasks when you are running T16s with sextants, chisel + alched with frags/scarabs? I can understand concerns about having flasks ticked for a HC or league start builds, but not sure how its relevant here. This is an end game build, and the OP doesn't shy away from that fact. You just sound like a cranky old head that takes 7 days to clear a map.
Sure you're not capped with crit without flaks, but normally god gave people 2 hands, and I use them. Unless you want to be crit capped without flasks, you can always go for a inc. crit gem or take some cluster Jewels or other passive points for more crit chance. Also you can take Attack crit hatred watcher's or attack crit body armour. PoE alows us in many ways to get what we want. Also you comment sounds more like a mad man who just is bad at crafting or just dont have the money to buy the items for the build.
Also this league is still possible in any other league, like the 3 leagues aggo I played this build. Well, probably we dont go next league anymore for the more zoom zoom version many people played this league. But its still possible to go for 12k ES and still can clear all content.
It's just like any other build with the league mechanic that allows us 6 T1 Items with the affixes we want the most.
Edit: Also there are already over 190 sites full of comment, and >90%+ of the playerbase who gave me a feedback was positive, sure there are still some people lacking of dps, but thats mostly, cause normally people dont have 400ex to min/max the build.
If you dont like the build or whatever, nobody forcers you to play it. The best thing you can do is just to move on to a build you can afford or fits more to your preference
Last edited by xXx_Kamikaze_xXx on Aug 22, 2020, 11:01:19 AM
Really enjoying this build and appreciate the work that went into it. I will admit though I'm not fully understanding how some things work. I've read and reread the APS and CDR section (including the link) but it's still confusing to me. I'm also a little confused on getting my crit chance to 100%. I feel like a noob and could use some help understanding what needs to be changed, what I'm missing.
I know my belt could be better, I have a 5/20coc (not6), and I'm uncertain about my attack speed on my Cospris. Would love some help/feedback.
https://pastebin.com/1j3t0wq9
1. You need either watcher's eye flat crit OR flat crit on chest.
2. It doesn't make any sense to take accuracy on the amulet (T1 max roll is 480) when your glove can reach 600. Switch res and accuracy rolls from your gloves and amulet.
3. Your boots and belt don't make much sense here too. If you have awakened cast on crit, you do not need any additional CDR mods unless you are going for the 52% breakpoint. Switch out the belt to one similar to mine.
A cheaper alternative will be a crusader belt, the only mid that you miss out on here is the cold damage prefix.
4. You want ailment immunity roll on your boots to reach 100% and become ailment immune. Alteration spam an i86+ shaper + hunter boots for 30-35%MS + T2 avoid elemental ailments (max roll T2 = 100%, you don't need T1). The rest of the crafting steps here are pretty straightforward.
Thanks a ton for responding and taking the time to look at my build so far. Did 1-3 and seems to be going smooth (need to mess with resistances a bit and wise oak now). Working on boots.
With the change to the chest, I am now able to show %86.04 crit chance in POB. Should it read 100%? What am I missing?
Thanks again. The build prior to this was doing great anyway (Sirus 8 deathless, etc...) but would like to pull off some really juiced maps before I end this league.
i can't take any CoC build that doesn't have 100% crit chance on cyclone without flasks seriously. even with your end game GG gear you max out at 7 mil DPS because of this flaw. Not 10 mil because your cyclone is only criting 70% of the time. that is very nice. you spend mirrors on a build and all it can do is 7 mil DPS. no wonder lower level players are trying your build and failing. and probably spamming you with questions.
Genuine question. How often do you find yourself without flasks when you are running T16s with sextants, chisel + alched with frags/scarabs? I can understand concerns about having flasks ticked for a HC or league start builds, but not sure how its relevant here. This is an end game build, and the OP doesn't shy away from that fact. You just sound like a cranky old head that takes 7 days to clear a map.
Sure you're not capped with crit without flaks, but normally god gave people 2 hands, and I use them. Unless you want to be crit capped without flasks, you can always go for a inc. crit gem or take some cluster Jewels or other passive points for more crit chance. Also you can take Attack crit hatred watcher's or attack crit body armour. PoE alows us in many ways to get what we want. Also you comment sounds more like a mad man who just is bad at crafting or just dont have the money to buy the items for the build.
Also this league is still possible in any other league, like the 3 leagues aggo I played this build. Well, probably we dont go next league anymore for the more zoom zoom version many people played this league. But its still possible to go for 12k ES and still can clear all content.
It's just like any other build with the league mechanic that allows us 6 T1 Items with the affixes we want the most.
Edit: Also there are already over 190 sites full of comment, and >90%+ of the playerbase who gave me a feedback was positive, sure there are still some people lacking of dps, but thats mostly, cause normally people dont have 400ex to min/max the build.
If you dont like the build or whatever, nobody forcers you to play it. The best thing you can do is just to move on to a build you can afford or fits more to your preference
nice humor but we both know that flasks are hard to keep 100 up times on bosses with no ads. and it just happens that is when you need your full damage the most. not to mention that you can have reduced flask effect as a mod on maps. so those also make your build extremely clunky. if you want to play that way it is fine just add to the cons section. doesn't perform up to budget expectations on sirus.
EDIT: wait wait wait before we continue how are you gaining your flasks back on sirus in the video. are you using another belt with flask recovery on crit. and if so why isn't that in the gear.
And what in the name of Kitava does crafting has to do with it are you going to craft charges for your bottled faith. maybe you should ask sirus for help with that i hear he is a real genius. it is exactly the point even with the crazy gear you can get this league you still can't cap your crit with it. talk about bad design. you need your end game gear for your build to be decent. think about that for a moment. you are like an engineer who has access to the best materials and equipment and still turn out inferior products.
and i am really glad people who are even worse than you in making builds are giving positive feedback. that doesn't deflect my criticism. if you are not a path finder your flasks are not an automatic additions to your numbers period. if other classes were able to maintain their flasks always path finder would be useless and have no place in the game. the existence of path finder is all the argument i need.
Last edited by Anutheos on Aug 22, 2020, 11:00:10 PM
nice humor but we both know that flasks are hard to keep 100 up times on bosses with no ads. and it just happens that is when you need your full damage the most. not to mention that you can have reduced flask effect as a mod on maps. so those also make your build extremely clunky. if you want to play that way it is fine just add to the cons section. doesn't perform up to budget expectations on sirus.
EDIT: wait wait wait before we continue how are you gaining your flasks back on sirus in the video. are you using another belt with flask recovery on crit. and if so why isn't that in the gear.
And what in the name of Kitava does crafting has to do with it are you going to craft charges for your bottled faith. maybe you should ask sirus for help with that i hear he is a real genius. it is exactly the point even with the crazy gear you can get this league you still can't cap your crit with it. talk about bad design. you need your end game gear for your build to be decent. think about that for a moment. you are like an engineer who has access to the best materials and equipment and still turn out inferior products.
and i am really glad people who are even worse than you in making builds are giving positive feedback. that doesn't deflect my criticism. if you are not a path finder your flasks are not an automatic additions to your numbers period. if other classes were able to maintain their flasks always path finder would be useless and have no place in the game. the existence of path finder is all the argument i need.
1. Flasks are not difficult to keep 100% up when you are at end game. As I said earlier, this is not a valid argument for an end game build. It makes sense when you have a league start build or are playing HC, where you are not able to one phase bosses. You kill most conquerors before they can attack even once, and both shaper and elder die or get phased whenever they are vulnerable during a single flask use.
And the reduced flask effect map mod? Mate, this build clears T16s in like a minute 30, this mod has zero impact on the build. Importantly, even if your flasks are down and you are at 89% (or the made up 70% figure), its not going to make any difference to your mapping experience when you are still dealing millions of shaper DPS.
2. Have you actually fought Sirus yet? Think I'm getting a better picture of whats going on here. [Removed by Support]
If you have fought Sirus - which I am beginning to doubt, you would know that you regain flask charges after every phase. I use bottle faith every time he drops down and he gets phased instantly. During the last phase I pop all the flasks and he usually dies before he can land a single attack.
Your last paragraph makes absolutely no sense. [Removed by Support]
Last edited by Allen_GGG on Aug 23, 2020, 1:18:50 AM
i never noticed that before because unlike you i don't design my builds based on my flasks they are extra i press the button if they are there great if not i don't care. they are something extra. and sure call my argument dumb while making no effort to respond to it. and speaking of league start that sirus kill reminds me of a league starter build after you get more good gear for it not a god knows how many exalts next league build. [Removed by Support] you can believe what you believe. i believe your design sucks. and i am done with this conversation. [Removed by Support] some of us admire the concept of efficiency. as an engineer in my real life job i know there is nothing impressive about making something decent when you spend all the money in the world on it. smart design is what is to be admired. and if you are going to spend and go all out it better be so phenomenal that a customer will actually be willing to pay for. you don't think of the players that you give advice to as customers that will have to spend that money based on your design. so i am simply done arguing with a guy that doesn't get it. [Removed by Support]
Last edited by Allen_GGG on Aug 23, 2020, 1:16:22 AM
i never noticed that before because unlike you i don't design my builds based on my flasks they are extra i press the button if they are there great if not i don't care. they are something extra. and sure call my argument dumb while making no effort to respond to it. and speaking of league start that sirus kill reminds me of a league starter build after you get more good gear for it not a god knows how many exalts next league build. [Removed by Support] you can believe what you believe. i believe your design sucks. and i am done with this conversation. [Removed by Support] some of us admire the concept of efficiency. as an engineer in my real life job i know there is nothing impressive about making something decent when you spend all the money in the world on it. smart design is what is to be admired. and if you are going to spend and go all out it better be so phenomenal that a customer will actually be willing to pay for. you don't think of the players that you give advice to as customers that will have to spend that money based on your design. so i am simply done arguing with a guy that doesn't get it. [Removed by Support]
Yep okay this makes more sense.
OP, can you please edit the guide to remove the chest and shield piece please. I don't design my builds based on my chest and shield pieces. This build only has 2K ES without the chest and shield piece, terrible, terrible design. Trust me, I'm an engineer.
Also please remove Vortex and Dash. Too many skills, what a ridiculous build.
You should also know that league-start builds has zero implications with regards to the ability of that build to clear end game content with further investment. BL miner and spectre builds are both fairly standard league-start builds that continue to scale well with additional investment. If efficiency is your only concern, then you can ahead and complain about every single build on this forum that isn't a BL miner.
Last edited by BrettLee on Aug 23, 2020, 2:09:29 AM
i never noticed that before because unlike you i don't design my builds based on my flasks they are extra i press the button if they are there great if not i don't care. they are something extra. and sure call my argument dumb while making no effort to respond to it. and speaking of league start that sirus kill reminds me of a league starter build after you get more good gear for it not a god knows how many exalts next league build. [Removed by Support] you can believe what you believe. i believe your design sucks. and i am done with this conversation. [Removed by Support] some of us admire the concept of efficiency. as an engineer in my real life job i know there is nothing impressive about making something decent when you spend all the money in the world on it. smart design is what is to be admired. and if you are going to spend and go all out it better be so phenomenal that a customer will actually be willing to pay for. you don't think of the players that you give advice to as customers that will have to spend that money based on your design. so i am simply done arguing with a guy that doesn't get it. [Removed by Support]
Yep okay this makes more sense.
OP, can you please edit the guide to remove the chest and shield piece please. I don't design my builds based on my chest and shield pieces. This build only has 2K ES without the chest and shield piece, terrible, terrible design. Trust me, I'm an engineer.
Also please remove Vortex and Dash. Too many skills, what a ridiculous build.
You should also know that league-start builds has zero implications with regards to the ability of that build to clear end game content with further investment. BL miner and spectre builds are both fairly standard league-start builds that continue to scale well with additional investment. If efficiency is your only concern, then you can ahead and complain about every single build on this forum that isn't a BL miner.
does your shield have charges. i didn't think so. can't wait for the flask rework/nerf. maybe then you people will wake up to the fact that flasks are not a core part of your build. they are temporary buffs with limited amount of uses. it will be funny to see how many of these builds will be ruined because they were never well designed to begin with.
and no some league starter builds can become top tier with investment but most can't. the ones who can boast about it because it is not something you have in every starter. the idea in most cases behind the starter is that it is a mechanic that gets most of its power from the base skills and not from gear. for that reason they are not optimal for high level of investment. and the builds out there that can do it all are probably heading toward a nerf soon enough.
Last edited by Anutheos on Aug 23, 2020, 2:47:13 AM
