What happened to Chris Wilson?

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alhazred70#2994 wrote:

this is a very materialistic way of looking at things. But its also pretty inaccurate they can import pretty much anything to NZ that any other 1st world nation has it just costs a little more shipping and import taxes. Being rich makes that not a real concern.

The thing to do with lots of money is live a life of your own choosing without being obligated or constrained by jobs or money.

"you win, so now what?"

Game designers I feel are the most likely people to come to understand that life is a journey (because so are games) and that the destination or making a number go up; are not the point (because just like games).

I figured this out when I got Asteroids on the Atari 2600 in the 80's and no longer needed quarters. Making the number go up wore off real fast. The gameplay itself became obviously the sole reason to play, and once that was mastered it got boring REAL FAST. Just like when you get a HH or MB and almost immediately start wondering what to do next, and start imagining what the next league might be and lose interest in the current one.

Life is a game in the most literal and most metaphorical sense.

m8, its so true.



if i were chris i would leave ggg, get as far away from knowing anything about poe2 as i could, go play magic for 12 months then sit down on launch and finally be able to play path of exile unspoiled as a player. to be able to actually enjoy the game i spent 12 years of my life on in a way no artist can enjoy the art they make, as a detached fan who doesnt just see a bunch of variables and design regrets.

I don't want to speculate too much, but is anyone but me surprised that no1 of the big PoE creators made a video about this? Usually there's a video within minutes after some minor news broke, but this time... radio silence. (except Talkative Tri)

It signals to me that they already knew and weren't allowed to talk about it.

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Ulsarek#7159 wrote:

Alright let's keep it real, there is no way of us knowing and that's fine. No need to find a scapegoat.

Someone working with passion on a project for a decade not saying goodbye is not normal. There is (was) beef behind the scenes 100%. I might even go as far as claiming streamers were told to not ask questions about it on live streams with GGG staff. Not a single streamer ever had the idea to ask what is going on with Chris and why he is no longer showing up without any notice? Sure...

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Ulsarek#7159 wrote:

If you say so, then surely!

I could be wrong, but I am probably not. It works for D4 and WoW, why shouldn´t it work for PoE2? Especially considering PoE2 has a much broader target audience than PoE1 had (and has).

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Snorkle_uk#0761 wrote:

m8, its so true.

if i were chris i would leave ggg, get as far away from knowing anything about poe2 as i could, go play magic for 12 months then sit down on launch and finally be able to play path of exile unspoiled as a player. to be able to actually enjoy the game i spent 12 years of my life on in a way no artist can enjoy the art they make, as a detached fan who doesnt just see a bunch of variables and design regrets.

Well, to me, in his shoes, this feels more like watching another guy hook up with my ex-wife I still have feelings for. But, who knows...

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Sadaukar#2191 wrote:

I don't want to speculate too much, but is anyone but me surprised that no1 of the big PoE creators made a video about this? Usually there's a video within minutes after some minor news broke, but this time... radio silence. (except Talkative Tri)

It signals to me that they already knew and weren't allowed to talk about it.

Probably grabbing more attention now posting Legacy of Phrecia builds and plans.

Sadly Chris left the company:/

[Removed by Support]

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ibims111#7338 wrote:

Someone working with passion on a project for a decade not saying goodbye is not normal. There is (was) beef behind the scenes 100%. I might even go as far as claiming streamers were told to not ask questions about it on live streams with GGG staff. Not a single streamer ever had the idea to ask what is going on with Chris and why he is no longer showing up without any notice? Sure...

No shit there was a power struggle :

- Tencent taking full control over GGG late 2023 / early 2024
- Chris not coming to work since late 2023
- Erik downgraded to minion status in the same timeframe
- Jonathan becoming Tencent's frontman ever since

The 4chan leak covered all of this extensively , the rest was public knowledge or has been confirmed since . People needs to stop buying into the narrative that GGG is some kind of magical lalaland , GGG is a corporate company full of greedy backstabbers just like everywhere else .

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ibims111#7338 wrote:

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Snorkle_uk#0761 wrote:

m8, its so true.

if i were chris i would leave ggg, get as far away from knowing anything about poe2 as i could, go play magic for 12 months then sit down on launch and finally be able to play path of exile unspoiled as a player. to be able to actually enjoy the game i spent 12 years of my life on in a way no artist can enjoy the art they make, as a detached fan who doesnt just see a bunch of variables and design regrets.

Well, to me, in his shoes, this feels more like watching another guy hook up with my ex-wife I still have feelings for. But, who knows...

i dont think chris has been an actual active lead developer of the games content for about a decade. i believe he made talisman league?


jonathan built the game in terms of the code, the engine. its been rory, mark, a whole bunch of other people who keep their heads down actually designing and balancing the content, monsters, bosses, items, passives etc forever essentially, for about 10 years.

chris does/did business things. hes the guy who deals with the accounts people, the legal people, licensing, paying staff, paying for the studio, running the company afaik. do their mtx comply with trading laws in canada? well chris is the guy whos making sure they do. he isnt the guy designing mageblood and he cant tell you what the latest changes to the ranger ascendancies are. he is making sure the people who do that stuff are getting paid tho and all related taxes are in order.



he doesnt design the game from my understanding. you can go back to 2016 and hes openly saying on podcasts he has information here the actual game devs have given him, and some questions hes saying i dont know an answer to that specifically, ill have to go ask the people who are designing the league/item/passives you are talking about. theres guys in the room shouting answers to him, he doesnt know, hes not involved in the nitty gritty of the designs.



he did the interviews so that his devs could work behind the scenes and not be public facing cause of all the hate and bs that gets thrown at them. but even 9 years ago there were things about game mechanics he was unaware of in podcasts.





there doesnt have to be beef, maybe they just didnt want to feed the hate machine on reddit and the forums with what would be taken as omg the doooooommmmmm. ITS END TIMES CHRIS HAS GONE!!!!! or maybe hes not gone hes just no the director, maybe hes just doing some business end stuff from his ipad at home in the swimming pool like a gamescon tony soprano.

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

No shit there was a power struggle :

- Tencent taking full control over GGG late 2023 / early 2024
- Chris not coming to work since late 2023
- Erik downgraded to minion status in the same timeframe
- Jonathan becoming Tencent's frontman ever since

tencent had 100% control of the game since 2018. chris hasnt been in control of the games design since 2015.


youre trying to make something of this that isnt really there.

I'm more than a bit disappointed that GGG didn't make an official farewell video for Chris Wilson. The more barriers Tencent removes from the original GGG team, the closer Tencent comes to making PoE a p2w mockery. They ruined Blizzard and many other companies/games in the name of money. By the time PoE 2 is actually launched as a full game, I might not even want to play the game anymore.