Why dedicate my time if I can lose all my XP with a death penalty?

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Your "skill issue" "git gud" arguments are meaningless. Stop blaming the players for bad game design. The game is bad. This is an objective fact. If GGG doesn't listen to the vast majority of players giving the feedback that will improve the game, then the game will die. This is an objective fact. Games are supposed to be fun, not cbt-simulators that punish you every 2 seconds for existing.

Not my fault you choose to ignore the majority of people complaining about all the problems in the game. This is a feedback forum, that's what it's for. Improving the game. Changes will have to happen for this game to survive.

It's completely unacceptable that any game in 2025 would so blatantly disrespect the player's time investment, and take away the rewards which the player has earned and rightfully deserves. That is just not ok. "The Vision" is what's going to kill this game if its tripled-down on.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

Funny, rarely if ever experience those problems myself... perhaps if you worked on your build and skill a bit more you also wouldn't have major issues with such problems.

Your "skill issue" "git gud" arguments are meaningless. Stop blaming the players for bad game design. The game is bad. This is an objective fact. If GGG doesn't listen to the vast majority of players giving the feedback that will improve the game, then the game will die. This is an objective fact. Games are supposed to be fun, not cbt-simulators that punish you every 2 seconds for existing.

Not my fault you choose to ignore the majority of people complaining about all the problems in the game. This is a feedback forum, that's what it's for. Improving the game. Changes will have to happen for this game to survive.

It's completely unacceptable that any game in 2025 would so blatantly disrespect the player's time investment, and take away the rewards which the player has earned and rightfully deserves. That is just not ok. "The Vision" is what's going to kill this game if its tripled-down on.

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Hyperspacing#5593 wrote:

Its not a disrespect of a players time. Its a way to show the player, that their build or gear is insufficient to complete the objective at hand. 10% is annoying but it makes you really think about how not to do and what needs to be changed.

Perhaps another kind of game is more your speed?

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

But I thought you said the game requires no skill?

I'm really confused now, does the game require no skill therefore you are not dying and losing xp... or does the game require skill and therefore it is bad game design?

You know what I find extremely disrespectful of my time? A product that calls itself a game but in reality is nothing more than a movie I have to click through. I prefer games that have some challenge, and consequences for my failures. That way I actually feel like I'm doing something, and enjoy the feeling of overcoming a problem.

I don't see the majority of people complaining, I see a very small amount of people complaining very loudly. I see a game that as Very Positive reviews on Steam, from 75k players. I see a game that has had a very strong start to early access/open beta and a very good retention rate of players.

This game is not dying, but it might just not be the type of game for you. That's fine, it's in fact completely normal and expected.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

But I thought you said the game requires no skill?

I'm really confused now, does the game require no skill therefore you are not dying and losing xp... or does the game require skill and therefore it is bad game design?

You know what I find extremely disrespectful of my time? A product that calls itself a game but in reality is nothing more than a movie I have to click through. I prefer games that have some challenge, and consequences for my failures. That way I actually feel like I'm doing something, and enjoy the feeling of overcoming a problem.

I don't see the majority of people complaining, I see a very small amount of people complaining very loudly. I see a game that as Very Positive reviews on Steam, from 75k players. I see a game that has had a very strong start to early access/open beta and a very good retention rate of players.

This game is not dying, but it might just not be the type of game for you. That's fine, it's in fact completely normal and expected.

Then just let people have an easier mode in the game. It literally wouldn't affect how you play it. You can have fun with your hardcore dark souls mode, while the rest play normal Softcore. That's how it should be.

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

I am playing softcore. I'm not sure you understand what hardcore is, perhaps you should look that up before commenting further.

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

Funny, rarely if ever experience those problems myself... perhaps if you worked on your build and skill a bit more you also wouldn't have major issues with such problems.

Your "skill issue" "git gud" arguments are meaningless. Stop blaming the players for bad game design. The game is bad. This is an objective fact. If GGG doesn't listen to the vast majority of players giving the feedback that will improve the game, then the game will die. This is an objective fact. Games are supposed to be fun, not cbt-simulators that punish you every 2 seconds for existing.

Not my fault you choose to ignore the majority of people complaining about all the problems in the game. This is a feedback forum, that's what it's for. Improving the game. Changes will have to happen for this game to survive.

It's completely unacceptable that any game in 2025 would so blatantly disrespect the player's time investment, and take away the rewards which the player has earned and rightfully deserves. That is just not ok. "The Vision" is what's going to kill this game if its tripled-down on.

But I thought you said the game requires no skill?

I'm really confused now, does the game require no skill therefore you are not dying and losing xp... or does the game require skill and therefore it is bad game design?

You know what I find extremely disrespectful of my time? A product that calls itself a game but in reality is nothing more than a movie I have to click through. I prefer games that have some challenge, and consequences for my failures. That way I actually feel like I'm doing something, and enjoy the feeling of overcoming a problem.

I don't see the majority of people complaining, I see a very small amount of people complaining very loudly. I see a game that as Very Positive reviews on Steam, from 75k players. I see a game that has had a very strong start to early access/open beta and a very good retention rate of players.

This game is not dying, but it might just not be the type of game for you. That's fine, it's in fact completely normal and expected.

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FusionXTC#3438 wrote:

The main reason there's penalties is so players actually develop skills and feel rewarded for hitting level 95+, especially level 100.
Without penalty, noobies like you would be able to just grind t1 whites for 500 hours to achieve that goal.

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CaduAndrade#9284 wrote:

Why invest hours into a game to risk losing everything with one mistake? For some, penalties add excitement, but for others, they turn fun into frustration. A simple solution? Add an option to toggle penalties—offering a challenge for those seeking it and freedom for those not. Let every player enjoy the journey their way.

For now, I’ve uninstalled the game. I’ll return if GGG realizes they’re losing players for no good reason.