Geonor's Intermission. Yes, really.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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kumogakure#7381 wrote:

The problem is that this gear check is placed in Act 1, when it is still mostly just luck whether you got to have enough defenses or offsenses, and when you still don't have a lot of passive points to create a build with synergies.

So those who got lucky with drops feel the fight is fine, those who didn't get lucky feel like they hit a wall.

It's not luck at all....its called "grinding". You can play the level 11 King in the Mists area like 5 times and have a fully geared rare character. You can fight the bosses in the areas just before Geonor a handful of times and drop everything you need to 1) craft gear, 2) gamble for gear, 3) buy gear from vendors, or 4) use dropped gear.

You are under the impression that every area you already played just....disappears after you played it. Well fun little hint: they don't. And especially on a fresh character, in a fresh league, ssf or otherwise, you need to farm your gear. It's not at all whether you are "lucky enough" to be geared for the fight.

Its obvious from his first attack that Geonor deals mostly cold damage. First thing that told me? I need to cap my cold resistance. 2 sapphire rings was all it took to pretty much reduce his damage to nothing. You get to this particular phase and realize you are nearly forced into taking damage? Get some health regen or leech. I had a single leech roll going into him and never needed to use a potion because fighting the mobs just immediately refilled all my health.

Gearing is never the problem: learning the mechanics and being able to mechanically pull them off is the problem. Skill + experience.

Any problems with gear you have in the campaign, at any point, is a fixable problem with some grinding. Or...you are playing as a warrior and are sol

Players have completely forgotten that games like this aren't meant to be 100% linear. You aren't meant to just keep trying to fight Geonor over and over and over again if you 1) don't do enough damage or 2) don't have defenses. You go BACK and farm.

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Seystuff#5465 wrote:

My entire point is that, with Geonor in specific, either you have enough gear for the fight to be a complete cakewalk, or you don't have enough gear to have the intermission feel reasonable.

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frette#3669 wrote:

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Seystuff#5465 wrote:

you have an entire phase where you're supposed to waste flask charges

Uhm, no.
That's actually the phase in which you GAIN flask charges by killing the adds.
The dodge timing is very consistent with his voice lines and inbetween dodging you kill the adds. There's no reason to take damage at all in that phase.

I hate to say it, because I really don't like the phrase... but yeah, that one is literally a skill issue.

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frette#3669 wrote:

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Seystuff#5465 wrote:

My entire point is that, with Geonor in specific, either you have enough gear for the fight to be a complete cakewalk, or you don't have enough gear to have the intermission feel reasonable.

And you're wrong.
Deal with it. Or don't. Your choice.

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Seystuff#5465 wrote:

as I mentioned this isn't a valid response

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Seystuff#5465 wrote:

Also, LIKE I MENTIONED, the entire point is that the wolves take more flask charges from you than they restore unless you have enough gear to kill them fast enough.

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ClockworkShrew#7536 wrote:

This has not been my experience at all with the fight, so I have to disagree. You can ABSOLUTELY fight the adds and end up with more flask charges out of them than what you came in with.

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Seystuff#5465 wrote:

So here's the thing.
I believe that, given perfect play and off the cuff reflexes and patience, all bosses in the game should be killable without taking damage.

Otherwise, every mandatory damage has to be either a gearcheck that doesn't drastically tax your long-fight resources, a soft enrage that taxes those resources in order to act as a dps check, or negligible unavoidable damage to either force you to have some sustain (of which there is little to none in the game) or just for flavour.

Now here's the thing with geonor: I've fought it many times on several characters on normal, cruel, and map difficulty from +0 to +4. And it's the only boss where there's a phase you're just supposed to take damage. I mean the intermission. Between teh boss going away, the adds and the mechanics you're supposed to dodge, not to mention the dash which is telegraphed by has a significant but consistent delay, you end up in a situation where, unless you overgear it, you always loose reosurces to it.

Now let me ask you, is it a gear check that you have an entire phase where you're supposed to waste flask charges in acts while still dodging all mechanics? Is it a dps check? Is it just random difficulty without reason? Yes it's the latter.

I don't even think it's a super imbalanced issue, I think it's just a tiny adjustment that provokes this problem. If the adds had less health, if the dash hit for less damage or if the phase was shorter, a single one of those changes, even slightly, would make the fight much more in line with the bosses of act 2 and 3. But as it stands, that intermission means that you end up having to completely overgear the adds in order to be able to last the entire fight... unless you oneshot the boss with overgearing IT instead, ofc...

I know people will just be like "git gud, skill issue, it's fine cus I killed shut up angry yelling" or something. But let me specify that I've played poe for 11 years, I've played all souls game and do challenge runs for fun, and I even think this is the only really problemtic boss outside arbiter (well, there's 1 or 2 specific attacks in other bosses that could use a bit of a slowdown). Even if you think this is a skill issue, I shouldn't have to present a "pro gamur ID card" to have my opinion considered. I think this boss has a slight overtuning in the intermission, if you don't see it that's fine but don't dismiss it just because you didn't see it. You'll be the one looking like an ahole.

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Kashou#2868 wrote:

Just dodge a little bit and kill the mobs.