Bots and Botting

Maybe you guys can find solace in the fact that this game is an ARPG with a ladder - even if every other part fails racing will still be fun. It's currently already the best part of the game, so I don't think it will really change.

But the reason why botting will (or probably even is) so rampant in this game is due to the RMT possibilities in this game. Those possibilities come from the fact that essentially wealth gain is tied to luck and crafting in the game is also tied to luck, same as getting map drops etc. There is no effective way to sit back and farm, so it is way easier to buy what you would have farmed for and let bots do the ineffective farming.

And yes, I am actually serious about this. By the way, I hope you guys are not talking about default league, because if you are the conversation point is moot - bots won't ruin it, the impossibility of a balanced economy on default will ruin it (no way for items to disappear).

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dust7 wrote:

There are some factors in PoE that will make botting harder than in D2 or D3.

One is the randomness of the areas. D2 had these too, but bots there had a maphack which is impossible in PoE as far as I know (I think I can dimly remember an old dev post regarding this, but I could be wrong).

Then of course the new end-game maps system adds to this randomness, where pretty much not a single aspect of an area is a constant (monster types, layout, required resistances, all random). Also, a bot can't trade for maps that fit the botting-character well.

That being said, I don't doubt that there will be bots. After all, they could just run pretty straight forward areas or white (non-magic) maps. Let's hope that the systems in place, and hopefully additional ones being added in the future, will keep bots from becoming a plague.

Maphacks in PoE are not impossible and they already exist. The same groups who created the maphacks are the same groups that are working on botting. The only thing stopping them is the layout of the map which fortunately seems to be extremely random in PoE.


I'm not sure if the maphacks will be detectable or if GGG has any way of monitoring them. The few I know of so far run scan memory and then turn off. I wouldn't go searching for them becuase even if they aren't detectable yet, they one day will be. Given the fragility of the poE economy, I would hope that one use/detection would result in a banned ip or account indefinetly.

i know that many bots farming prison gate act 1 normal
they are going lvl14-15 by marauder and going nonstop farming that location

plz check it...

Just watched a multiboxer bot (6 players more loot) run fellshrine cruel. It was amazing and scary at the same time. Took the bot about 10 min to clear fellshrine picking up uniques and orbs only. Bots used spark totems.

duno if its been said but a quick google and youtube leads for many sites that have a maphack thats revealing all the map and appears to let u zoom all the way out and shoot off screen etc,

boring the shit outa me, even has a speed hack that works for 6 seconds at 200% or somthing before it descyns

probly explains why on events if i run on whatever char to kil hill cock, doesnt matter how hard i try as i approach him hes already been killed each time in gold on my screen by 'fwefwfwef'', before ive attacked.....

this has to be hacks its so simple to donwload hacks , and after seeing on the poe site there watchign some noob called stimmedcow whos publishing about making a bot in great detail, hes got it working and is now working on a website to support his bot people will be paying for LOL

he event stated before the big anarchy patch '' hang on a few hours til i can test it again for new patch'' then posts saying all fixxes done for the patch,

it took him a few hours to adjust... most d3 players are on poe now and numbers rising, official release in 4 month will bring the publishing in game magazienes and websites attracting botters,

i even found while looking a website for bodybuilding and supliments talking about how easy it is to bot and make loads of money and loads of other people was interested in how to sign up just to do it!!

then looking at the stupid sites for buying currencys... i mean who the hell buys a virtual item for cash!! damn the prices are stupid and the avalibility

chaos orbs are $0.40 but a mirror of ka is $300 and they can deliver them every 12 minuits?
packs of 100 GCPS and stacks of exalted £9 each....


if they have somany there either botting? or duping? they must be

ive only ever droped 2-3 exalteds and a few other items, how the hell these people get this much stuff i dont know but hacking must be there and i cant see that as fair to us normal players.


but every 1 needs to stop saying ''are there bots?'' and ''no 1 can hack here its impossible its rando maps''

cause it doesnt matter how hard it is if a coder and write it a coder can break it

look at the facts if people can generate windows keys or manage to bypass federal blocked pirate sites or even read your information, build new things ... its possible if it isnt some 1 wil figure it out,



1 way to defuse it that i can see is a picture verified code to enter 1nce an hour or somthing that way atleast they cant run all night without entering a picture code by hand hourly,

that way a bot runs 1 hour and has to stop til they type :) no 1 is gona sleep and bot all night and day getting up hourly,

(picture code i mean liek when ya sign u[ for a website or forums, ''fde 2gettin'' and a box to type it in etc )


thats my view on how to stop the dicks as far as i know on forums im on with the code thing dont seem to get spam bots signing up to them so?? it wudnt be hard either,

on the hour as the person uses waypoint to a safe zone boom enter code . inventory will get full at some stage lol

i hate noobs diablo 3 was destroyed and prices made silly down to fecking botters i came to poe for a new start and it rocks lol even tho i suck ass

extremely good article on how MMOS can catch bots, how easy and quick and reliable it is. I hope the devs read this or know it already, and I hope players who bot or are considering botting read this. http://iseclab.org/papers/botdetection-article.pdf

Note that botting, macro / scripts, and multiboxing are not the same thing.

A bot runs itself with no input from a player based on conditions, such as automatically logging you out when you're low on health to prevent HC death. That's against the EULA (not 'illegal') and is afaik a bannable offense (and should be.)

A macro or a script makes input easier. It's a grey area, but generally not bannable or considered cheating. An example would be using ~ to logout because it's easier or quicker than hitting ALT+F4. Since it's not automatic and requires a player to analyze the situation and react to it, it's generally acceptable.

Multiboxing is running more than one character at the same time. Generally players consider this botting but it's not so cut and dry. There is a player analyzing and making choices (unless you're multibotting). I wish this were considered cheating and bannable, but it's NOT bannable last I checked in any MMO I have ever played. Because it requires input, most of what multiboxing entails falls in the macro category, and to make multiboxing bannable, you'd have to make all macros bannable as well. That's too broad, as users of 'gaming keyboards' and 'gaming mice' and some people with physical handicaps and all sorts of people actually do require and want macros. Generally, multiboxing is tough to set up and more hassle than it's worth but if a player can run group content as an entire group, or if a game increases loot or XP when in a party, sometimes some people find it worth doing.

Devs, there is a lot of confusion among players as to what the rules are. Please clarify before official launch. So far, I like what I've seen as far as trying to preserve the integrity of the economy at the very least. There really shouldn't ever be such a thing as inflation, and trade ratios should fluctuate only minimally once the game matures some.

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ravenclaw77 wrote:

A macro or a script makes input easier. It's a grey area, but generally not bannable or considered cheating.

It's a black area, it's cheating, and anyone who doesn't think it should be bannable is apparently not clear on the concept of third-party automation.