Annual reminder that XP loss on death is bad design.

Some ppl really dont like challenges, they want everything given to them. They want to blast campaign in 4h using auto attacks, they want raw divine drops with any random strat, and now, they do not want XP Loss. Next thing will be auto play and auto loot functions.

If you got burned out from this game go play a mobile game or Last epoch, im sure you will be happy there.

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zepberonha#9748 wrote:

Some ppl really dont like challenges, they want everything given to them. They want to blast campaign in 4h using auto attacks, they want raw divine drops with any random strat, and now, they do not want XP Loss. Next thing will be auto play and auto loot functions.

If you got burned out from this game go play a mobile game or Last epoch, im sure you will be happy there.

Pretty harsh but thank you for your contribution. 0 challenge person with lv97 highest character ever. You know the drill for sure. You might want to at least level up a character to 100 by yourself like many of us did several times before you tell us your opinion.

I mean you literally keep your character profile private, so I don't think you are the one to talk

There you go you can take a look opened up just for you. Though I have already deleted some lv 100 because I wanted to use the same name. I still have 4-5 lv 100 with their full gear on.

Also I have streamed grinding to level 100 in mercenary league twitch might still have some vods if you want.

Why is everybody so agressive when it comes to xp loss on death penalty? Everyone just so hostile for no reason. I tried to raise a point. You don't agree with it fine. I'm not saying to remove the penalty I'm saying to make it less of a backwards progress. IF you carefully read any of my posts you can see that I stand by the fact that death penalty HAS TO HAVE A PRESENCE.

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zepberonha#9748 wrote:

Next thing will be auto play and auto loot functions.

B-b-but wait, we already have that map device in Kingsmarch.

As for the XP loss, getting to 100 isn't hard by any means even in SSF, just boring and purely optional, as are these "league challenges" which mean nothing because people just pay for it these days instead of actually completing anything.

lol so much elitism in this thread.

i have a level 100 character i leveled. forgot where? std? league? really cant remember.

but i do remember what i did.

t16 maps. tons of em. i run them crafted and i make sure the mods are not dangerous. at all.

i fully specced into abyss and ran abyss scarabs. each abyss map i did gave me 1-3% xp.

bought a lot of xp loss omens.

did it all solo. thru out my entire experience. all i felt was misery. this is boring as fuck. i barely earned anything substantial.

i did feel some accomplishment. which is i finally didit. got my first 100.

it was a great achievement to me. but as much as i loved that i was level 100. i got jaded pretty quickly.

i realized that if i just played juiced maps and got 0XP and farmed 100 divines. i could go for chayula or 5 way runs. there even are people out there giving free xp parties.

this is 2025. not 2015. poe is about FUN and blasting. well... if you wanted to be serious then theres hardcore league. i used to be one of those grumpy farts who defends 10% xp loss. but now i've seen past it. all it does is take away from player enjoyment.

the ones asking for 10% xp loss now. WHY? who benefits? a lot of players dont like it. myself included. all it does is make more players rage quit or just use a meta build.

i would argue, death penalties are good to make players play better. and i m up for it. unfortunately POE is balanced around big numbers go up metric. if your dps is low but you're skillful. you might as well not bother doing maven invites. not even talking about the feared. having her copy baran can have the entire screen filled with mana sucking area denials. god save your soul if you're playing a trumelee build at that point.

so no. this game is not balanced around players playing too well. if it was a deliberate game then yeah. punish us. but it isnt.

i've played tons of older mmorpgs. most often than not. xp penalties usually exist only to sell players anti xp loss potions.

times have changed.

Stop equating everything being handed to you to fun.

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Ispita#4020 wrote:

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zepberonha#9748 wrote:

Some ppl really dont like challenges, they want everything given to them. They want to blast campaign in 4h using auto attacks, they want raw divine drops with any random strat, and now, they do not want XP Loss. Next thing will be auto play and auto loot functions.

If you got burned out from this game go play a mobile game or Last epoch, im sure you will be happy there.

Pretty harsh but thank you for your contribution. 0 challenge person with lv97 highest character ever. You know the drill for sure. You might want to at least level up a character to 100 by yourself like many of us did several times before you tell us your opinion.

Yeah im pretty new to poe compared to you. But i do play a lot of arpgs and mmorpgs. That changes nothing. The " give me everything easier" is what ruined games like wow. Lvl 100 is not meant to be achieved for everybody and every league. You dont need that to run any build. If it was easy to achieve, where would be the chase in the game? Not that THIS is the chase, but things like lvl 100 add to the sum.

There is no problem in gettin burned out of doing heavy grind in a game. Nobody needs that to have fun. But asking the devs to make this game full casual just because you are tired of the heavy grinding is a very wrong move. Its this kind of stuff that moves poe away from its shinny position, and closer to a last epoch/ mobile game.

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zepberonha#9748 wrote:

Yeah im pretty new to poe compared to you. But i do play a lot of arpgs and mmorpgs. That changes nothing. The " give me everything easier" is what ruined games like wow. Lvl 100 is not meant to be achieved for everybody and every league. You dont need that to run any build. If it was easy to achieve, where would be the chase in the game? Not that THIS is the chase, but things like lvl 100 add to the sum.

There is no problem in gettin burned out of doing heavy grind in a game. Nobody needs that to have fun. But asking the devs to make this game full casual just because you are tired of the heavy grinding is a very wrong move. Its this kind of stuff that moves poe away from its shinny position, and closer to a last epoch/ mobile game.

For the record I have 20k+ hours in wow as well and pretty much played almost every other mmo. I used to be a hardcore raider in wow with realm firsts and world 10-15 raid kills.

I don't ask anything to be handed to me. All I'm saying is the xp loss is just a backwards progress and most of the modern games moved away from it because they know it is not a good model.

As I said I think death penalty needs to be in the game. I proposed a tweak which stil keeps the -10% xp but make it faster to recover. This would mostly be good to fix the rare deaths. If you have a bad build with zero defenses it would not really help you anyway because you would still keep dying. Also builds that has hundreds of divines budget (or even several mirrors) is almost impossible to die with. I don't really consider that skillful to play with, kill anything with or not die and level up to 100. Anybody can just go and buy 500 divines and buy all the items and faceroll the games with mirror tier builds. Of course bannable but ggg doesn't ban anyone for rmt anymore.

most modern games are trash so thats not a good argument. Theyre made for little kids with their parents credit cards.