Reset Skill Tree?

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Athoy wrote:

It's not about worrying about people exploiting, it's about introducing a new system into a game that is not based on sound logic and reason. If it's unnecessary, then it's unnecessary.

Thank you for your consideration, sir.

I'm not a casual gamer. I soloed Inferno Act 2 and was well in to Act 3 when I got a refund from Blizzard (which I then upgraded my support of PoE with). I can share the refund email with you through PM if you disbelieve. You can check my history here to see that I did, indeed, upgrade.

My points are simple:

1) Limiting early respecs will never discourage cookie cutter builds (a key point of GGG's defense)

2) Time is never equally valuable to all players

3) The way to build player investment is to get them to stick to a character, then encourage them to level another class. Nothing builds game understanding like having multiple classes. Having 3 of the same class, not so much.

Originally I was also thinking that being able to do respecs was a good thing.

Now I have 3 characters over Lvl 20 (one 35), and I'm against the idea. I have regretted certain selections, and used the available tools in place to make adjustments. It felt right, it felt balanced.

I have one character that i have temporarily abandoned, but that's OK.

What I hear over and over is about the long term love-affair players had with D2. I played it... a little. It was good, but I just never had the time to get too deep.

My point is that D2 was all about making the right decisions, or reroll. Period. PoE has a limited rework system that is already a compromise to that older game.

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GrimJahk wrote:

Originally I was also thinking that being able to do respecs was a good thing.

Now I have 3 characters over Lvl 20 (one 35), and I'm against the idea. I have regretted certain selections, and used the available tools in place to make adjustments. It felt right, it felt balanced.

I have one character that i have temporarily abandoned, but that's OK.

What I hear over and over is about the long term love-affair players had with D2. I played it... a little. It was good, but I just never had the time to get too deep.

My point is that D2 was all about making the right decisions, or reroll. Period. PoE has a limited rework system that is already a compromise to that older game.

I also have four characters in to the upper 20's. One in to Cruel (a Ranger). The point I am confused on is comparing this to the past. This is the current. A new context. A new perspective.

Let us meet gamers where they are, rather than making them go through the frustrations we (me at 45 years, and gaming since 13) all experienced.

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Argyx wrote:

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GrimJahk wrote:

Originally I was also thinking that being able to do respecs was a good thing.

Now I have 3 characters over Lvl 20 (one 35), and I'm against the idea. I have regretted certain selections, and used the available tools in place to make adjustments. It felt right, it felt balanced.

I have one character that i have temporarily abandoned, but that's OK.

What I hear over and over is about the long term love-affair players had with D2. I played it... a little. It was good, but I just never had the time to get too deep.

My point is that D2 was all about making the right decisions, or reroll. Period. PoE has a limited rework system that is already a compromise to that older game.

I also have four characters in to the upper 20's. One in to Cruel (a Ranger). The point I am confused on is comparing this to the past. This is the current. A new context. A new perspective.

Let us meet gamers where they are, rather than making them go through the frustrations we (me at 45 years, and gaming since 13) all experienced.

That's a very understandable and more than noble cause to say the least. However, as mentioned previously, do you think that the current system in place (the respec points from quests and Orbs of Regret which could account for 1/3 to 1/2 of the the PST points up to level 30) isn't a good enough compromise and that a free full respec is necessary for up to level 30?

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Athoy wrote:

That's a very understandable and more than noble cause to say the least. However, as mentioned previously, do you think that the current system in place (the respec points from quests and Orbs of Regret which could account for 1/3 to 1/2 of the the PST points up to level 30) isn't a good enough compromise and that a free full respec is necessary for up to level 30?

I'm sorry, where have you received 1/2 of your PST points from quests. I have four characters in later 20's and pooled resources to get two additional points for a single character (in addition to their quest refunds). Perhaps I am really bad at this game?

I'll repeat, do you think a level 30 with a full repec will ruin this game? I think many of you are overlooking the insignificance of a low level respec.

Also, why not pre-purchase if you feel so strongly?

You can buy orbs of regret with orbs of scouring.
You can buy orbs of scouring with orbs of chance.

I have 14 unused respec points and 10 orbs of regret.
I also have 15 orbs of scouring which equals 7 more regrets.
I have over 30 orbs of chance which equals another 3 (almost 4) orbs of regret.

So totaling up I have roughly 34 respec points at level 63. All without even trading. That is over 50% of my skill points I can refund.

Let me just say that if you get to level 63 and you need a full respec. It would be wiser and cheaper to start a brand new character. (I should, but I love a challenge as a duel wield shadow)

GGG gives you 24 character slots for a reason.

I would not sweat respecs.

This coming from someone who played Batmud for 9 years and doesn't worry about short term.

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Tarmalen wrote:

You can buy orbs of regret with orbs of scouring.
You can buy orbs of scouring with orbs of chance.

I have 14 unused respec points and 10 orbs of regret.
I also have 15 orbs of scouring which equals 7 more regrets.
I have over 30 orbs of chance which equals another 3 (almost 4) orbs of regret.

So totaling up I have roughly 34 respec points at level 63. All without even trading. That is over 50% of my skill points I can refund.

Let me just say that if you get to level 63 and you need a full respec. It would be wiser and cheaper to start a brand new character. (I should, but I love a challenge as a duel wield shadow)

GGG gives you 24 character slots for a reason.

I would not sweat respecs.

This coming from someone who played Batmud for 9 years and doesn't worry about short term.

I think you overlooked the < level 31 part?

Again, MY POINT is, what threat is a player under level 31 having more respec options? Stop waving your wangs around and answer the question!

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Argyx wrote:

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Athoy wrote:

That's a very understandable and more than noble cause to say the least. However, as mentioned previously, do you think that the current system in place (the respec points from quests and Orbs of Regret which could account for 1/3 to 1/2 of the the PST points up to level 30) isn't a good enough compromise and that a free full respec is necessary for up to level 30?

I'm sorry, where have you received 1/2 of your PST points from quests. I have four characters in later 20's and pooled resources to get two additional points for a single character (in addition to their quest refunds). Perhaps I am really bad at this game?

I'll repeat, do you think a level 30 with a full repec will ruin this game? I think many of you are overlooking the insignificance of a low level respec.

Also, why not pre-purchase if you feel so strongly?

I think you get 2 respec points from this quest (http://en.pathofexilewiki.com/wiki/A_Dirty_Job) and another 2 from this quest (http://en.pathofexilewiki.com/wiki/Through_Sacred_Ground) so you get at least 4 per difficulty, at least. Someone should confirm whether this is only from normal difficulty or these refund points can also be acquired in higher difficulties.

This is also a relevant thread of interest: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/41726/highlight/

Currently in med school at the moment with an important exam coming up so time is very limited. Besides, I rather spend more time learning about the game rather than playing it at the moment since there's going to be a wipe anyway. Usually I theorycraft heavily, play the game extensively to test out the theory, rectify my incorrect assumptions with reality and experience from playing, and with the new acquired practical knowledge theorycraft some more. Repeat the cycle. Having extensive knowledge in a game like this is ~70% of the battle. Then the rest comes from experience, skills, and luck. IMHO, anyway.

I am in no rush. Can probably learn most of the game via playing in 1-2 months when it comes out if extensive research/prior work has been done. It's more important that I learn about the mechanics (and how to calculate important numbers, etc) and systems of this game right now than actually playing it blindly. I would love to play it though, just no time right now =/.

I might buy a key someday or hope that I get super lucky with the GGG timer. :)

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Athoy wrote:

I might buy a key someday or hope that I get super lucky with the GGG timer. :)

So, you have enough time to ponder these points, yet not enough time to play.

I'll see if I can get you a key, so we can rectify this injustice.

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Argyx wrote:

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Athoy wrote:

I might buy a key someday or hope that I get super lucky with the GGG timer. :)

So, you have enough time to ponder these points, yet not enough time to play.

I'll see if I can get you a key, so we can rectify this injustice.

That would be super amazing and very kind of you, sir! Don't feel bad if you change your mind or anything though, no worries.

Haha, this is gonna sound weird, but I actually enjoy thinking. A lot. Thinking and theorycrafting is a large part of what makes these somewhat complex/complicated strategy-requiring RPG games fun! IMHO, of course. This may be fun for me, but may not be for others because different players enjoy different aspects of a game. But you're right, I am on the PoE forums way too much. It's my excuse/way of procrastinating and avoiding to study =/.