The state of Wand slingers: Undeniable proof why wands are not viable and why GGG should fix them

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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bhavv wrote:

You people are so dumb its unbelievable.

Were discussing how hard it is to find a suitable weapon to make a wander work.

Its by far simpler, easier and cheaper to make ST work than it is to make a wander work, BECAUSE THE BASE WEAPON, WAND, IS SHIT.

But this isn't true. Or rather, the moment a wander finds even a mediocre wand, not even a good one, it beats ST with an amazing weapon.

Not the case on my ranged aura build.

Thats why we need a unique power siphon wand. Bows and melee have all these uniques to enable so many build while we have to scour the ends of the earth to find a really good wand. If anyone is designing an unique do great justice for us all and think of us.

I think they should just make wands do spell damage instead of physical damage as their base damage type... Imagine what that would be like :)

Wands aren't something you use alone. Its a combination effort of several factors that makes wands strong:

1) Easy access to aura nodes. +500 Dmg on Wrath and Anger is no joke. Other builds can use them, but will have to make major sacrifices to get to the two juicy clusters. Stack all the Auras. Seriously, you can easily have 40% block and evade ontop of 8k Energy Shield.

2) Free Power Charges. Minimum, you'll be running around with 3. This also means its pretty easy to build into crit as well.

3) Free Culling Strike. Spiffy.

4) Power Charge on Crit works with wands well like it works with daggers. They are hybrid weapons that really shine with this Gem. The only downside is they are tricky to find due to the odd itemization.

5) You seriously can't have reflect problems when you have Elemental Hit, Power Siphon, and Frenzy. You can set up opposite damages with some combination of those three, even if you need to turn your Auras off for a second.

I am a level 70 elemental wander.

I have over 4K single target DPS with my power charges up, and over 2K DPS lmp. I have terrible gear. Like really bad. I run wrath/clarity/anger. If I ever get an Alpha Cowl i'll considerably up my DPS.

Here is the basic build:

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYABAcOSBGWFkAWbxa_GYUaOB0UHhofAiQ8JKonqSlPKlstHy9vMok2xTbpSVFMs1BCVUtVxlfiWm1h4maeZ71tGW17cFJwu3DVd-V4zn_GhX2H24w2j0aQVZuhnaOiLqKjpwinXKeEtUi4k8BRwfPPZdDQ0hnTG9bR2RPbAuNq44TsOO5v8-r60vyr_5M=

That is only like 70 points, there is much room for improvement. I feel like OP is not well informed.

Actually ST Scions have the easiest access to as many aura nodes as they want, and can easily swap between power siphon and ST. They also have easy access to Iron Grip, which Witch / Templar / Shadow don't.

3 wanders made and played to level 64 (retired due to being a witch and templar start was better) 66 (retired due to EB Nerf), and the current level 60 Scion replacement I'm working on that I will be continuing on much further.

Finding decent wands for a wander is the absolutely worst weapon to be looking for in this game. Its not an easy build to make unless you are rich and can afford to pay loads for the few rare decent wands that there are in the game.

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crayzeesuckah wrote:

I am a level 70 elemental wander.

I have over 4K single target DPS with my power charges up, and over 2K DPS lmp. I have terrible gear. Like really bad. I run wrath/clarity/anger. If I ever get an Alpha Cowl i'll considerably up my DPS.

Here is the basic build:

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYABAcOSBGWFkAWbxa_GYUaOB0UHhofAiQ8JKonqSlPKlstHy9vMok2xTbpSVFMs1BCVUtVxlfiWm1h4maeZ71tGW17cFJwu3DVd-V4zn_GhX2H24w2j0aQVZuhnaOiLqKjpwinXKeEtUi4k8BRwfPPZdDQ0hnTG9bR2RPbAuNq44TsOO5v8-r60vyr_5M=

That is only like 70 points, there is much room for improvement. I feel like OP is not well informed.

Those DPS numbers are absolutely nothing decent for a wander. And as you said you have terrible gear so how the OP not well informed? You only confirm that what he is saying is true.

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bhavv wrote:

Those DPS numbers are absolutely nothing decent for a wander. And as you said you have terrible gear so how the OP not well informed? You only confirm that what he is saying is true.

So wanders have bad dps but my dps is bad for a wander? sigh.

i can one shot mobs on merciless docks. and i have bad gear. if i had good gear my dps would skyrocket. show me numbers from other level 70 builds that are comparable with crap gear?

There's nothing wrong with builds that excel with better gear rather then be average regardless of gear.

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crayzeesuckah wrote:

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bhavv wrote:

Those DPS numbers are absolutely nothing decent for a wander. And as you said you have terrible gear so how the OP not well informed? You only confirm that what he is saying is true.

So wanders have bad dps but my dps is bad for a wander? sigh.

i can one shot mobs on merciless docks. and i have bad gear. if i had good gear my dps would skyrocket. show me numbers from other level 70 builds that are comparable with crap gear?

There's nothing wrong with builds that excel with better gear rather then be average regardless of gear.

Anyone can farm merc docks, that's not really much of an achievement in PoE.

Again, this thread is about the wand weapon, not about wander builds. No one is doubting how well the builds work when sufficiently geared, but obtaining sufficient gear in the first place, the most important of which is a decent wand is what the main issue is, and also the actual wand nodes are terrible.

The best wander builds only take fusilade and nothing else in terms of wand nodes, the rest are terrible compared to just taking crit and aura nodes.

Hi

The OLD skill tree had great position for wand nodes since then the tree and wand nodes are so spread out that a player has to play a certain way to truly make them viable.

Elemental hit on a wand is the best with powersiphon or fenzy/power charge on critical.

cheers