Why is soul Taker so outrageously expensive??

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Bumblebutt wrote:

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whoismiked wrote:

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Bumblebutt wrote:

You shouldn't have to link BM, or mana leech to you attack when using a rare physical damage weapon, period. This point renders half the benefit of ST useless.
I've used a rare weapon for over 4 months now and never have had mana issue. Right now I'm doing 63k LMP DPS with spectral throw.

Stop acting as if everyone plays spectral throw (one of the lowest mana costing skills in the game)

Some people run attack skills that cost 4 time, or more, to cast than spectral throw does.

Such as? Cyclone again I assume?

Dominating blow.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

Your not even talking about ST, we are talking ST vs equal weapons and you link me a build enabling glove?

If your going to refuse to see the flaw in your logic then go ahead we have nothing to discuss.

I'm not exclusively comparing ST to other weapons. My premise is ST is weak and overpriced. Then I proceeded to tell you that ST is worse than an unarmed build at what you argue for ST to be the best at. Flaw in logic? I don't think so
I only see a kid clinging onto made up BS cuz he can't win.
Read again, one of my first posts in this thread

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Bumblebutt wrote:

When you have 130 ex for a piece of gear you should want crit. Or you are a sheep
To be fair, ST does make cyclone viable. BUT, a legacy facebreaker with bm linked does just as much damage as a 6l ST and both can have all mana reserved. Think about it. Now that reduced duration is out, you can use lightning warp with FB just like you could use leap slam with ST

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reboticon wrote:

Dominating blow.

See facebreaker post
Can't seem to agree with your point about new leagues
In new league for most builds, rare 1H with the same kind of DPS cost much less than a ST the prices are not even in the same league, let alone comparable.
For cyclone and DB, new FB beats new ST just like legacy FB beats legacy ST.

It's a nice convenience thing. Soul Taker is certainly nowhere near as powerful as the price makes it seem, but that's just people for you. People are lazy and content to not bother worrying about mana or anything even if they lose DPS... and a lot of currency.

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I'm not exclusively comparing ST to other weapons. My premise is ST is weak and overpriced. Then I proceeded to tell you that ST is worse than an unarmed build at what you argue for ST to be the best at. Flaw in logic? I don't think so
I only see a kid clinging onto made up BS cuz he can't win.
Read again, one of my first posts in this thread

Unarmed build is better at almost every single melee skill that doesn't require a weapon. Your comparing an extremely cost effective weapon/slot for DPS to a utility weapon that doesn't give you shit total dps that allows you a free gem slot, less passive points and no worry free mana that allows you to use all of your shit for aura/arctic armour or w/e Hell I can throw soul taker to my 2h slot and another GG main hand weapon and have all above benefits.

Your complete comparison is based on DPS and not the merits of the item.

You still haven't answered the question, how much do you value ST passive?

Instead of 40 exalts? How much should it be worth then? 10 exalts + 10 for the passive? Only 5 for the passive?

Your premise that it's "weak" and overpriced for how much you spend for it, where all I am saying the passive is where the item is valued for.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

Unarmed build is better at almost every single melee skill that doesn't require a weapon. Your comparing an extremely cost effective weapon for DPS to a utility weapon that doesn't give you shit total dps that allows you a free gem slot, less passive points and no worry free mana.

Whats the point of allowing free gem slot when a 5L FB beats a 6L ST in damage?
Less passive points? How?
FB doesn't have to worry about mana. Ever
Damn right I'm comparing an extremely cost effective build against ST and yet somehow your brain still tells you that ST is better? Wow.

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Bumblebutt wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

Unarmed build is better at almost every single melee skill that doesn't require a weapon. Your comparing an extremely cost effective weapon for DPS to a utility weapon that doesn't give you shit total dps that allows you a free gem slot, less passive points and no worry free mana.

Whats the point of allowing free gem slot when a 5L FB beats a 6L ST in damage?
Less passive points? How?
FB doesn't have to worry about mana. Ever
Damn right I'm comparing an extremely cost effective build against ST and yet somehow your brain still tells you that ST is better? Wow.

ST isn't BOUGHT for damage, it's bought for it's effect.

You are comparing EXTREMELY cost effective damage vs an UTILITY effect.

I literally even stated how much should soul taker cost in your opinion for the passive.

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/625404

Hell here's a random ass build with 38k damage using soul taker.

Just for the WEAPON itself should cost for 8-10 exalts, now how much should the chilling and mana go for?

Where did I state ST was BETTER then facebreaker, where did I say it beat out all other items as BIS?

I literally stated that it has it's place in the game as a end game unique for certain builds that can utilize it's effect, to people that effect adds a giant mark up to the price of the weapon OUTSIDE of the dps it gives you.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

ST isn't BOUGHT for damage, it's bought for it's effect.

You are comparing EXTREMELY cost effective damage vs an UTILITY effect.

I literally even stated how much should soul taker cost in your opinion for the passive.

Didn't I just tell you how Facebreaker can give you the same effect?
Running skill with BM, reserves all mana for aura. Is there a hidden stat of ST that I miss?
Please, enlighten me, tell me what passives you save when using ST? Have you ever actually been able to afford a ST at all to test out these "passives"? o.o

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Bumblebutt wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

ST isn't BOUGHT for damage, it's bought for it's effect.

You are comparing EXTREMELY cost effective damage vs an UTILITY effect.

I literally even stated how much should soul taker cost in your opinion for the passive.

Didn't I just tell you how Facebreaker can give you the same effect?
Running skill with BM, reserves all mana for aura. Is there a hidden stat of ST that I miss?
Please, enlighten me, tell me what passives you save when using ST? Have you ever actually been able to afford a ST at all to test out these "passives"? o.o

Facebreakers isn't a weapon; you cannot dual wield with it, running BM taking up a gem slot has nothing to do with the ability to use mana skills when having no mana. If anything the passive itself is like having a blood mana gem but without spending your life to cast the ability.

You save passives because you don't have to get the blood magic keystone or mana regen keystones or any type of mana regen period if need it.

I've sold sold takers before and used them, why the hell would I use them when I don't have a build that requires a soul taker?

I can dual wield soul taker with a GG mirror rare and get all of the benefits of the soul taker in the offhand, you can do a ton with it apparently because there are many builds that use the item.

Which brings to my point:

How much do you VALUE soul taker passive? If the base item itself is at least 10 exalts? How much more should it cost for it's passive.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

I literally even stated how much should soul taker cost in your opinion for the passive.

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/625404

Hell here's a random ass build with 38k damage using soul taker.

Just for the WEAPON itself should cost for 8-10 exalts, now how much should the chilling and mana go for?

Where did I state ST was BETTER then facebreaker, where did I say it beat out all other items as BIS?

I literally stated that it has it's place in the game as a end game unique for certain builds that can utilize it's effect, to people that effect adds a giant mark up to the price of the weapon OUTSIDE of the dps it gives you.

I loled. Did you seriously just link a dual strike build that does 38k dps as evidence?
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/726414 84k DPS dual strike. That's not even good gear
My dual strike does about 400k DPS, FYI
Did you just say the chilling? LMAO. Anyone using physical build and not running hatred? Are you even using a physical build? If you do and not running hatred, LOL.
What mana? You don't know that mana is the most common stat when you craft as well as the most common stat on loot? It's also one of the least valuable stats when people sell you something. You're gonna link me some noob build that takes 10 mana passives as evidence now?