Still waiting for a Melee 1h physical mace...

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tinko92 wrote:

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Wooser69 wrote:

you can have more stats on them cause they're 2h.

What do you mean with that?

Bigger numbers, stronger mods. More spike sort of stuff. You wouldn't see something like kongors as a 1hander.

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Wooser69 wrote:

Bigger numbers, stronger mods. More spike sort of stuff. You wouldn't see something like kongors as a 1hander.

Bigger/stronger mods =/= more mods.

Why wouldn't I see that on a 1h? In smaller numbers.

Two points:

1. BiS unique items are a bad idea. ST and BoR are good examples of poor design, and then they needed the nerf bat.

2. Crafting should always trump unique items in terms of core aspects(like damage), but unique items provide something "unique" that doesn't normally appear on the base item.

*Also keep in mind the Mace nodes are really, really good compared to sword, and axe if you ask me. I've played them all mace focus was the best.

Legacy ST and BoR are BiS? Really?

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tinko92 wrote:

Legacy ST and BoR are BiS? Really?

For most builds and almost every player, yep.

Of course if you RMT and have 1000ex and as many eternals you need, then no. Crafting perfect rares is the way to go, but like Geico says, everybody knows that.

So, you claim only perfect rares are better than those 2 items?

You might want to support that claim with arguments, because right now, you made me laugh.

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tinko92 wrote:

So, you claim only perfect rares are better than those 2 items?

You might want to support that claim with arguments, because right now, you made me laugh.

Certainly. Legacy ST allows you to carry A high DPS, and be completely independent of mana cost. This increase your ability to stack auras, as well as 6L any mod you want on your primary skill since mana is no longer a concern.

BoR provides so many benefits, while only losing a 4L I cannot reasonable see how replacing it could be justified. You get a life, block, a 7L, ect.. What would be the downside? Some resists? If you need resists on your armor to cap yourself, you are doing it wrong.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Certainly. Legacy ST allows you to carry A high DPS, and be completely independent of mana cost. This increase your ability to stack auras, as well as 6L any mod you want on your primary skill since mana is no longer a concern.

BoR provides so many benefits, while only losing a 4L I cannot reasonable see how replacing it could be justified. You get a life, block, a 7L, ect.. What would be the downside? Some resists? If you need resists on your armor to cap yourself, you are doing it wrong.

The only 2 excusable skills for using ST are Cyclone and DB.
ST (new one) is considered about the same as rare of the same cost (~60 ex) only in CI variant because of MPDoFL support gem.
For a non-CI it's a lot worse compared to a rare of the same cost.

The price however, is as high as it is because of players know don't know how to manage their mana (outside of 2 skills, but even those 2 can be done without ST ----> EB).
So they pay a lot more for the crap DPS because of their lack of knowledge.

Stacking auras? You still need reduced mana nodes/gear, a lot of them.
Alpha's Howl helps to put in Tempest Shield in 2x60% aura setup, which is really a shit advantage for the cost.

Most builds and almost every player? Hilarious.


Almost any 6L 1.8k+ AR/EV chest with 80+ life and a helmet with 600+ AR/EV with 80+ is generally better than BoR.
In your own 6L, you can have 20/20 MPD and 20/20 FA, which provide great bonuses for quality.
Sure, Blind is useful, but just that, nothing more.
However, phys damage mod is really nice, and you don't have to get high phys damage on amulet to compensate it, you can leave SoL block amulet.
Why do I mention SoL amulet? Because why would you take that 15% block on BoR to be useful if you don't use spell block on your main shield, without swapping?
If you swap it for Saffell's, it provides that block chance, so BoR isn't needed.
Therefore, the block mod on BoR is wasted.
And if you're not having a max block build with it, that block mod is just useful then, nothing more.

Downsides are, a lot less armour than in chest + helmet setup, less resistances which you can have on those 2 pieces, so you can get other mods on other gear.
Generally lower DPS compared with 6L and a phys amulet, maybe even Abyssus, because you'd have a lot more armour on yourself with a 2k+ 6L chest.

BoR is (was) just a poor mans 6L (7L), not even close to a BiS.

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tinko92 wrote:

The only 2 excusable skills for using ST are Cyclone and DB.

Totally disagree.

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tinko92 wrote:

Almost any 6L 1.8k+ AR/EV chest with 80+ life and a helmet with 600+ AR/EV with 80+ is generally better than BoR.

Again I'm not with you on this. But I suppose we can agree to disagree.

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Why do you disagree?