[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

Looking for any improvements that people think, or better orientation of gems, any help is appreciated
edit: i do have starkonjas head with the same gem layout as the ratsnest

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TrueCrime04 wrote:

I have really big mana problem at 52 lvl, 50% gets by Hartred, and another mana isnt enough. in guide OP said
"2) MANA - once you get your hands on the spirit void cluster, mana shouldn't be a big deal anymore. With it you should be able to lose those annoying mana flasks soon enough :). Until then you can run a single mana flask. "
but in passive tree i dont see "spirit void", what is my error?

See, the build might say take hatred and use herald of ice or thunder but during that bracket of leveling I just ran hatred. You're doing so much damage as is already so just chug mana pots. Seriously, tabula rasa's are cheap get one, death's harp or whatever with your gleam if damage is a problem.

Honestly guys, stop using the guide as it is right now as something to follow 100%. Look at neversink's profile and go to his harbinger character. The guy has completely ditched the preliminary nodes to get to the outer circle(and it makes complete sense) in favour of more defensive's and point value because those early nodes just plain suck.

I get why neversink is taking the claw nodes because it adds major leech but i'm leery about it and will probably be going another way. I realise the guy is farther ahead and is hitting roadblocks hence the redistribution of his points into resists and life but I am thinking of going another route to get the same things while gaining dps.

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NeverSink wrote:

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LEVELING:

Here are some hints on how to make leveling easier:

1) DAMAGE - Use burning arrow as your single target early on and sharpnel shot for multitarget. Switch to lightning arrow with LMP later on. You can run ballista and firetraps early on to help damage. Blast rain is your best single target until you get a real barrage setup.
Use Blastrain->PhysToLight->ElementalDamage->ConcEffect/PPAD to maximize your leveling/early mapping DPS´

Excuse me the stupid question but till level 28 and get Tornado Shot I should use Burning Arrow (ST) / Sharpnel (AOE) THEN LA + LMP (AOE and ST?) up till 28 and THEN start using Tornado Shot + LMP + anything else? (AOE/ST) and Blastrain (ST)?

Playing the Scion TS version and it is not going well. lvl 76 and not doing well on T5 maps. mobs are no problem but bosses, even rogues are burning me down quick. seems like i just keep ending up running for my life all the time... kind of looking like it is coming to an end...

at least for the scion version... ranger may be doing better...

Life: 3468
DPS: 15.6k
Crit: 38.6%

got decent gear that should at least get me to T10 maps but i just dont see it happening...


as a reference i have played this build a couple years ago (page 227) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1041989/page/227#p10606238 and was able to run it up to lvl 91 and do Atziri runs...

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Tallion99 wrote:

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Playing the Scion TS version and it is not going well. lvl 76 and not doing well on T5 maps. mobs are no problem but bosses, even rogues are burning me down quick. seems like i just keep ending up running for my life all the time... kind of looking like it is coming to an end...

at least for the scion version... ranger may be doing better...

Life: 3468
DPS: 15.6k
Crit: 38.6%

got decent gear that should at least get me to T10 maps but i just dont see it happening...

gear

pics

tree

https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/3.0.0/AAAABAABAQOWBS0FtQiJCdkNjQ-rES8WvyBZIXYiJiLqI9Mj9iSLJP0mlSoLKjgwfDH6MgEylDQgNj051DsoQzFKfUtXTP9Nkk4qUUdVS1b6W69daF3yX7BgQ2HiYetirGegbIxuPW8nb55v8nBSdO11_Xb3dwd313pTeu9_An8rgwmEb4TFhQ6GzocTh3aJ04w2jX2Nv49glQWaaprxm7WcpJ2qoJ-m4LIZtUi-gMEzwUnDOsjcykbKSsqpz3rUI9RC2cbaweKt45_nVOjW62Pxs_4d_94=?accountName=Tallion99&characterName=AvatarOfTheNorth

as a reference i have played this build a couple years ago (page 227) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1041989/page/227#p10606238 and was able to run it up to lvl 91 and do Atziri runs...

The gear is fine tbh, except the quiver (unique >>> rare, unless its a 6-mod with +1 arrow or legacy mod). You could spec out of the mana-leech-cluster, it's unneccessary at this stage.

Other than that, it's 3.0 and bosses aren't going to fall over at this low lvl. I don't think it has something to do with the build or the ascendacy.

I've just leveled a similar character (pathfinder) from 68-73 in T5-T6 maps with overall worse gear (had a +1 drillneck but also things like goldrim or lochtonial caress + jewellery with 0 crit) and it was fine. Single-target was not great but not that bad either. Now it's time to equip some good gearpieces and buy jewellery with some crit.

Any information in what nodes to pick after what the guide covers?

It seems to be up to level 85 or so , unless im misunderstanding the tree.

So i have read that this build is somewhat outdated.. Could someone please post me a skill tree link that i should be going?

First character so want to make sure i get it right first time around, my knowledge is very lacking as i am still learning. Thank you!

I was following the leveling tree guide and am hoping i haven't screwed up yet. This is what i have so far.
https://gyazo.com/32c9e43cc6d179b2ae392e713e542dfe

how come a harbinger bow can have 2 %physicial damage mod?

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lhuggins1989 wrote:

So i have read that this build is somewhat outdated.. Could someone please post me a skill tree link that i should be going?

First character so want to make sure i get it right first time around, my knowledge is very lacking as i am still learning. Thank you!

I was following the leveling tree guide and am hoping i haven't screwed up yet. This is what i have so far.
https://gyazo.com/32c9e43cc6d179b2ae392e713e542dfe

Honestly there's not much to it. You look at any other build that also uses elemental conversion you'll see the majority take the same route heading for primeval force and you'll see they grab the major life nodes, jewel nodes and respective damage boosts to your desired build and also taking the elementalist ascendant skill and ranger start path node.

However...

I know the guide is supposed to tell you where to put your points but really look at what the nodes are giving you. I skipped the jewel nodes until I actually had jewels worth socketing. I skipped entire node clusters because I needed mana leech at one point and just bee lined towards the mana leech node along the guides path. Now at this point I feel like I don't even need it anymore.

I'm thinking of doing the exact same thing when I get my next ascendancy points, getting ranger start node, connect to the main tree, refund all the small value return early points from the early dex nodes and allocating them to nodes farther out that have much higher return. This is how most scion builds look it seems like and it makes sense.

Go for what you need as you need them and what you can get away with.

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swalk wrote:

Compared to many, I am a inexperienced player (while a bit old in age); and I appreciate some help and guidance getting my lvl 86 raider past a point where it is stuck in end game mapping in standard.

I can clear the main maps without issue through ~map 7 or 8, but I die too often in the boss fights 6+.
I have changed a # of setups to increase defense, but I am stuck figuring out what else I can do. Perhaps changing equipment, I have ~300c to spend, but the best stuff gets crazy expensive in standard.
Here are my typical boss fight items.
My items

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I am normally running Arctic Armour, Ice Golem and Herald of Ice.

Thanks for the help in how I should change my setup to better manage boss fights.

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swalk wrote:

PS Here is my build; which is pretty close the the base build recommend in this forum:

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/3.0.0/AAAABAIBAABeBbUILgzyDY0RLxGBFr8XJhmOIXYi6iPTI_Yk_SaVKgsqODB8MfoyATKUNj031DnUPL4-z0MxR35KfUz_TZJOKlFHVUtW-loaW69d8l9wYeJirGOnZU1noGyMbydwUnXLdf1293fXePl6hH11ft1_An8rg22Eb4bOh3aJ04w2jX2Nfo25jb-VBZpqmyabjZ2qoJ-ly6bgshm0xbVIu-O9Nr3mvqfBM8FJwuzDM8M6xKLI3M2Yz3rTftQj1ELY1dnG3Ubjn-dU6NbqYusU62PtP-2D7g7vev1u_h3-uv_e?accountName=swalk&characterName=Fire__Arrow

I reorganized to use Vaal Pact, and I use my cloak of defiance to redirect 20% of damage to Mana (Mind over Matter and separate listing of 10% of Damage taken from Mana before life). Problem is not the leeching which I have fairly high, but the bosses hitting me too hard too fast (close to 1 hits), getting past all of the layers of vasion, dodge, 2 layers of CWDT. Not sure what is going wrong :)

Bumping this up - appreciate any help.