Master Crafting Metamods

This whole VOC thing is awesome. And I really think the guy has some extremely good points. [Removed by Support] The call for a decent and fair trading space where people have equal access to goods and equal speeds and have access to real prices information.

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Jaille wrote:

Many known PoE players, including popular streamers, were all lying publicly about the scouring and shit, fooling the playerbase and their own fans.

Which popular streamers were lying about that?

Well thanks for these explanations.
Installing diablo 3 right now. Gl hf

Want PoE to be a competitive market simulation all good.
But if it's the way you want to follow integrate your tools and deny third party or it has nothing competitive and fair for any players. That's what is commonly called a massive SCAM.

Kinda illogical the behaviour difference between eternal and scouring with metamods ...

And kinda worrying that some users are scanning the whole database to intercept mirror and exalts drop to lowball everyone... Seriously the inventory should remain secret for everyone.

I would like to alarm devs and the community about a probable bug, which brings that result:
http://i.imgur.com/qacNdyl.jpg

I posted more info on reddit :
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/3htpfg/thank_you_voc_science_failed_expecting_refunds/


Just to fast prove what happened: blue amulet with mastercrafted mode should not exist by any means according to the game mechanics, further step by step explanation on what happened is on reddit post.

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lindaisbestlindaislife wrote:

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eragon1111 wrote:

What i think will happen:

- ex to chaos ratio jumps to 100+++ chaos to 1 ex
- top items will STILL be traded only in exalts
- there will be more gg items that will be ONLY traded in exalts to cover crafting price
- there will be way more WTB EX SPAM
- game will be more NOT FUN for casual players

Have a nice day :)
its friday.

You forgot a couple of steps there.

- Since the prices are so high compared to the buying power, items won't sell.
- People will be forced to sell GG items at a cheaper price unless they want it to rot in their stash.
- Free market corrects itself
- More people have access to good gear.

Let me explain to you why it wont work one by one:

1) Since the prices are so high compared to the buying power, items won't sell.

Lets say that i have Alphas Howl for sale. I price it as currently for 2 Exalts, bcoz i need these exalts to craft something GG. It's only valueable item i have.
There is a shortage of supply for Exalts bcoz everyone is buyin them to craft and buy end-game items. Its very very daubtful that if i sold them for chaos equivalent i would be ANY closer to my goal (crafting GG item with exalts) than i was before selling the item. Ive gained nothing and lost my only way to gain 2 exalts. Why lost this possibility ? Bcoz market is in such shortage of exalts it would take weeks to convert these chaoses to exalts. Strikes AGAIN problem with some group of ppl manipulating market and buyin every possible exalt to craft sellable endgame gear for profit.

2)People will be forced to sell GG items at a cheaper price unless they want it to rot in their stash.

For mid-tier items it might be true, but for endgame items its highly daubtful. Same problem was discussed with forsaken masters introduction and nothing has changed. GG bows crafted and stashed were never sold or sold for 10+ exalts. Price of these items NEVER dropped below average for entire temporary leagues period. It even went up after Elreon mod price change.

3)Free market corrects itself

Free market in RL balances out on average. Not PoE market, it was highly manipulated past two leagues and there is high possibility the same will happen in next leagues also.

4)More people have access to good gear

This was debunked so hard that its pointless to explain but ill do so either way:

People will have better chance to acquire mid-tier gear ( nothing new here), but you need these items for what? 20 levels ? Later on you seek for upgrades for these mid items, and you reach point where some items are just BIS. Those BIS items will always be priced in Exalts and the we are closing the loop.

How im sure im right ?
After Elreon mod was introduced everyone was so pomped about it and said same stuff that everything will be easier to acquire. But HEY your free market strikes again and people that use this free market. Elreon crafted items bcoz Exalts are required to even create them are sold with many many exalt tags.
With chaoses being most common currency in trade from the player point of view with increases to exalt value, their purchasing power gets SMALLER AND SMALLER each time chaos:ex ratio rises.

The market behaviours exacly how majority of ppl think. And it seems like majority already knows we are F^^ked for every new temporary league that will be introduced.

After buyin only items i need on standard im going to give 0 shits. But i can forsee exodus to permament leagues bcoz of stability

OR

same pattern like always :
- start on new league
- get as much exalts as you can on start
- cash in
- go back to perm waiting for temp to end

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cheeflol wrote:

I would like to alarm devs and the community about a probable bug, which brings that result:
http://i.imgur.com/qacNdyl.jpg

I posted more info on reddit :
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/3htpfg/thank_you_voc_science_failed_expecting_refunds/


Just to fast prove what happened: blue amulet with mastercrafted mode should not exist by any means according to the game mechanics, further step by step explanation on what happened is on reddit post.

That's rather interesting. Would you mind linking it here on the forums?

Very poor decision from Qarl to remove his post after some people had already seen it. If you're gonna reveal something like this, then let everyone know about it.

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dasfilth wrote:

This doesn't matter. Learn to play the game efficiently.

I'm a below average player, but I've made at least 15 ex in Warbands so far,
and it was done PURELY through farming. Not even crafting. Sell more stuff.

I'm literally doing better in this league than any previously. This whole "mirrorgate" shit will correct itself over time, anyways. Quit whining and play the game. Or don't. Good riddance.

i call bullshit unless you found a single high value item you sold for like 12 ex.

i also had a look at your shop. The only value item is a romiras (which isn't listed on poe.trade somehow) and your shop is VERY small.

no way you could have made several hundred chaos with this.

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SirGrindalot wrote:

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cheeflol wrote:

I would like to alarm devs and the community about a probable bug, which brings that result:
http://i.imgur.com/qacNdyl.jpg

I posted more info on reddit :
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/3htpfg/thank_you_voc_science_failed_expecting_refunds/


Just to fast prove what happened: blue amulet with mastercrafted mode should not exist by any means according to the game mechanics, further step by step explanation on what happened is on reddit post.

That's rather interesting. Would you mind linking it here on the forums?

You can do the same with RARE items leaving them with 0 mods.