Master Crafting Metamods

PoE has always had this sandbox aspect, and it's been clear the devs intended the economy to be harsh, just like Wraeclast itself. It's part of the game, it's part of GGG's vision. Why do people think this is a big deal? You've basically been deluding yourself thinking the game should be balanced after self found people, or people who aren't clever enough to figure out this shit themselves.

"Oh but hurr durr I cant get money the rich only get richer insert more meaningless excuses etc etc". There are plenty of other ARPG's without any active online economy. Play those. There's something for everyone.

The way you handle this is very sketchy.

I as a player feel so screwed over, and if i could get a refund from all my MTX's i would and never look back.

This is just sad

"

Globby wrote:

Basically, you endorse and encourage deceptive, scammy behavior. You are approving when elite few players lie to the rest of the community and spread misinformation.

I am not sure I want to be a part of this community when it is norm to lie to others for profit, when this behavior is even encouraged by the devs themselves.

no, he leaves it up to the player base to decide if they share or shaft, thats a very different thing to encouraging.

Its a role playing game, you are not mr jack nice civilized man living in 2015 dealing with mr john nice bloke with wife and kids. We are marauders, cut throats, murderers, child killers, criminals, exiled to an unforgiving land of nightmare and suffering and we get by in the manner we see fit. We form alliances, we help each other, or we kill each other, we deceive and manipulate. Think of the characters you meet in the world as an extension of the game, characters in the world of wraeclast, thats what its all about.

Im not a fan of extremely negative grieving, people mass pking at the bandits, scamming and stealing from other players, intentionally fucking with them etc, I find that unpleasant. Keeping a trick a secret though? Come on people, thats hardly going out of your way to ruin someones day by stealing their stuff or killing their character in hardcore. If you found it out then you took a risk and you got your reward. We dont know if Ventor knew the trick or simply presumed it didnt work and was wrong, ultimately it doesnt matter. Ventor is a cool guy. I got nothing against him, if he lied to try and protect the secret thats cheeky, sure, impish, but so what, its such a tame little fib. Id take more issue with someone scamming a noob by conning an exalt off them for 5 chaos orbs than I would with what Ventor did regardless of the potential profit in it for him. If you stumble on some info that lets you get an inside on the likely outcome of a sporting event, you dont tell anyone, make a bet and win £10,000 then Im ok with that, well played. If you mug a kid for his £5 pocket money then imo you are scum and I have a problem with you. Its not about the sum of money involved.

So hes a crafty little rouge, big deal, I think its hilarious and Id shake his hand and say well played if I ever met him.

"

Xavderion wrote:

"

Peripherally wrote:

It would be really nice to see Chris and/or some other devs have some balls and admit the deletion of Qarl's post was wrong move on their part. Of course this assumes they believe it was wrong to begin with...and if they don't, then well I guess that will be the end of that.

It not the wrong move, they want players to figure it out themselves. Qarl made a mistake by posting that information thus he deleted it 10 minutes later. Shit happens.

ya exactly Xav, and its such an innocent, well meaning mistake too. How you gonna hate on someone or get upset over something like that? Intentions are what make a person who they are, a mistaken action made for a benevolent reason is not something to get upset about. Like everyone here hasnt done something wrong in their life, made a gaff, if youre a good person who means well no well adjusted grownup is going to hold that against you.





Come on guys, lets get realistic here. It boils down to this, if they changed the mechanic in 2.0 without telling anyone then that would have been under handed and questionable. They didnt, thats all that matters, no wrong doing involved. Letting the player base discover information and decide what to do with it is a core aspect of the game, you should know this by now, if its not something you like youve had 2 and a half years to challenge it, if this has inspired you to challenge it fine. But dont act like GGG have suddenly done something shady that was unexpected and out of character that isnt in keeping with the game so far.

This game makes me feel more and more hopeless as time goes by ... exalts are stupid rare and now Its even harder for me to get an exalt ... T.T ....

"That's part of the fun of trading." Trading...fun? In PoE?

bahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahaha!

Good one Chris.

I quite like the player discovery method GGG is using. Nothing wrong with letting players who risk currency and are able to decipher the rules benefit.

Seems most people are just unhappy other players profited, rather than themselves. Next time try something new rather than waiting for it to appear on the wiki. You may be the next player to find a new development.

And if you don't have the playtime to get to the top of the league, that's ok. I am quite happy playing the game and I have maybe 3 exalts to my name.

Good job GGG, don't listen to the players who want their top level gameplay all spelled out on the wiki for them.

/

Before you continue reading make sure you understand my point of view and where it is coming from:
1st - I am a casual player ( i have been playing the game since late 2012 as i can remember correctly to prove that 2 days ago i reached for the first time ever level 87 on my char)
2nd - I have some programming/coding experience which helps me understand how things in the computer world work
3rd and foremost - i just found out this news just now, like most of the community did.

Now Getting all that out of the way i want to express my personal opinion on the matter:

1. all the fuss about economy being broken is major league B.S. exaggerated by lazy people that feel entitled to everything. THE ECONOMY IS SELF REGULATING (PERIOD) (just like in the real world currency is an abstract method for paying for services/stuff it is just an idea we all believe).

2 If someone somehow found a way to make more of it faster than others, congratulations you deserve your earnings! (it is the same way in the real world the examples are countless i will mention companies like Microsoft, Apple, Oracle that had an idea and worked hard to make it to where they are now).

3 If someone is spending his time researching and testing methods to obtain information that is available to all of us - he is doing nothing wrong he is being productive

4 if someone makes tools, that are not in conflict with the 'Law', and are used to obtain and process information faster or even automate it - he is being progressive (progress is the thing that now enables us to have powerful computing devices, cars, electricity ... generally better everything)

5 Knowledge is something you obtain through investing time and effort. Sharing is strictly subjective and if someone discovers something new (that i in now way conflicting with the "Law") he can either use it in his advantage or share it with everyone. Either way it is a result of his hard work and that makes the decision to share it his personal right. (ask your selves why companies like coca-cola keep their recipes a secret)

6 If you share your knowledge with someone else make sure you have some sort of DNR before whining that he shared your secret to everyone, best of all don't share your secret knowledge if you don't want it to go public.

7 I applaud GGG for encouraging people to implement logic in their thought and making people in general to use their brains if they choose so.

8 If you feel you are entitled to knowledge and currency without any effort what so ever, then this game and also real life are probably not best suited for you. You should try a game where you only click one or twice and everything is done automatically for you and see how that satisfies

9 If you some how feel misled by faulty information by blindly believing it - it's your own fault for being misled. You should be at least a little suspicious to any sort of random information, beneficiary or not, outside of the officially released one.

10 If GGG made all the information equally available through discovery it is up to you to figure it out and check all claims of how something is done.

11 If GGG i somehow corrupted, like implied in some comments, and gives out information to a chosen few, or in any way promotes a "scammy" behavior through the community - Don't you think that this is basically a marketing suicide that's going to ruin their credibility as company? And lastly ask your selves - If people, that are smart enough, to think of and afterwards produce a game as complex as path of exile, are capable of shooting them selves in the foot like that?!

12 THIS OR ANY GAME IS A PART OF THE REAL LIFE AND THEREFOR REFLECTION OF IT! YOU CAN GET SCAMMED OR MISLED IN ABSOLUTELY ANY GAME THERE IS! The only way to escape from life is through death. However you behave in games is no different of how you behave in real life further more it's actually who you really since you are able to freely expose your true self hidden behind the masks of anonymity and "Log Out" buttons, so please get of your High Moral Horse.

13 No one should be entitled to any sort of refund for something they willing and knowingly spend they money for. If read a book and don't like it, do you go to the book store and ask for a refund? If you sat through a whole movie in the movie theater and dot like it, do you go to the book store and ask for a refund? Have your mothers and fathers bought clothes for you as kids, then asked for a refund after you grew out of them?! I highly doubt it.
Therefor - should you be refunded for MTX's that you bought, in a game that you used to/ still play when suddenly you decided that you no longer feels right for you? The answer is NO you did not spend money on the game it self you spend money on the MTX's so ask your selves do you like the MTX's ? If NO then why the hell you bought them in a first place.

REFERENCE:
In the above text i refer as "LAW" to that massive amount of text most of us agreed with without even reading.

DISCLAIMER:
In this post i am not defending any of the involved parties.
Neither GGG nor the people who first obtained/shared are in any form or shape responsible for our own self awareness or issues/insecurities.
I'm not trying to be any pillar of morality in any way, i am expressing what i believe is COMMON SENSE!
I am pointing a finger towards certain members of the community - is somehow someone recognizes him self in my words , well then bad for you!
Life's a b***h - deal with it.

This post was awesome Chris! Thank you so much for sharing it with us.

I'm curious to see how much it truly impacts the market in the short term.. this should be interesting :)

Happy trading everyone!

Bests,
Joey