Prophecy as a Core Game Mechanic

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Ageless_Emperion wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

took me 10 seconds to find this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOz4cwk08pA
(there might be other videos but ill that to you)

will you admit you are wrong on all accounts or will you move the goal post somewhere else?

people are doing this with mirror clones, elemental TS, various LA/FB jokes etc etc..

Will I ever admit I was wrong about anything to someone so confrontational and irrational as you? Never.

Your video is irrelevant, your arguments are irrelevant. You don't even begin to grasp why I am making the point I was. As far as I am concerned our conversation is over.

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LOL.

I honestly don't think you know what you're talking about. 'Easy mode for poor people'? Money is optional? I've played bow char's and trappers for 3yrs and they are as difficult and expensive to perfect as other characters.

My guess is that you consider melee as the only 'valid and proper' playstyle and just don't see any merit in ranged. Melee-elitismatitis?

(Oh, and if you are referring to the crude bow/frostwall thing to prove your point, well we all know that frostwall abuse is broken. That's why it's called abuse.)

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Ageless_Emperion wrote:

Prophecies like div cards are a "deterministic" means of acquiring items, their whole point of existing is to let you get loot without hoping for a 1/large number chance of it happening. You kind of misunderstood why they exist.

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grepman wrote:

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Ageless_Emperion wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

took me 10 seconds to find this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOz4cwk08pA
(there might be other videos but ill that to you)

will you admit you are wrong on all accounts or will you move the goal post somewhere else?

people are doing this with mirror clones, elemental TS, various LA/FB jokes etc etc..

Will I ever admit I was wrong about anything to someone so confrontational and irrational as you? Never.

Your video is irrelevant, your arguments are irrelevant. You don't even begin to grasp why I am making the point I was. As far as I am concerned our conversation is over.

so, let me get this straight. you went and asked him for a video of someone killing an uber with a 1c bow, he did, and then you refuse to argue with him anymore. lol.

score is clearly sid 1, you 0
and you cant even admit you were wrong. sad.

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Praetorio wrote:

This is not cool, you added this bow to bait people to play prophecy and farm for weeks for this bow and then nerf it?!? This bow is the prize for all the people that have played prophecy, people who will play this in standard will have a chance to get this bow too in the future(same like people who have played Prophecy League this summer)?!?What game does that?!

What is the point of playing leagues in the future and farming league items if they are going to be used as bait and will be nerfed in the end?!?! If this bow going to be nerfed I'm sure many people will be unhappy, people worked so hard for this and prophecy league turns out to be a waste of time....

If you add the nerfed version to standard and keep this as legacy item like all the others legacy items that already exist - a perfect solution and everyone will be happy, because otherwise the player count will drop due to people losing their favourite/fun weapon to use and there will be no reason to play leagues in the future because you just get robbed in the end.

P.S. I played for few days few years ago and I came back to the game 3-4 weeks ago and have been playing nearly every day so I'm a new player and I enjoy playing, the reason why I started playing Prophecy is to get this bow and this is the only good item that I managed to get, if few weeks of farming can be lost so fast what is the point of playing?

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grepman wrote:

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Ageless_Emperion wrote:

Prophecies like div cards are a "deterministic" means of acquiring items, their whole point of existing is to let you get loot without hoping for a 1/large number chance of it happening. You kind of misunderstood why they exist.

first, prophecies arent a deterministic mean at all, because the outcome of seeking a prophecy is...wait for it...random

in fact, there is no difference between brute forcing prophecies for a 6 link prophecy and actually 6linking something with fuses. yeah you get cool quests in between but since you consider them trash anyway, it doesnt matter much. so no, thats not deterministic in any way.

second, divcards ARE 'more' deterministic, however it is you who misunderstands how they work and what their design goal was.

div cards drop rate are tied directly to drop rate of item. so if on average a drop rate of an t1 item is a year, you can expect to find all cards of a set on average in about that time as well.

what div cards do is remove variance, so if SSF player really really wants an item, they can farm their life away in one area and avoid situation where they get all other t1 items BESIDES the one they want

that, and div cards remove binary 1-drop 0-no drop situation, by giving you partial item value.

the problem is, a lot of people misunderstand the divcards and prophecies and think they up drop rates. they do not. you still have to farm and grind. there is no shortcut to get that item faster than it would otherwise be due to drops.