[2.6] CI HoWA ST - Uber / Shaper / Guardians Down - Budget Friendly?

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DoritheExplorer wrote:
I was using a crit guide before but I'm going to respec into noncrit. But for my items whats the next few things I should do? I have 11ex (got lucky w/ some drops/crafting).

Couple easy upgrades... rings with elemental damage with weapons first, that will give you a big boost. You can improve your helm / gloves a fair bit as well, should boost your es. If you're lucky you can get some gloves with attack speed as well.

After that... more levels, fill in the frenzy charges, get your gems up to 20/20, and you'll be golden.
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Aevaris wrote:
This is my first non-life build, and am having a lot of fun so far.

Here is where I am at with gear / gems but having a hard time knowing what is best gem wise beyond the 6L.



For the CWDT setup, OP and and some others have immortal call. This is a life setup im used to, but in this build where do we get endurance charges to use it?

For other gears, not sure what to put in. I'm missing a few vaal gems (discipline/haste) which I'll pick up, but for the others? Seems like a lot of missing gem slots.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
I run CWDT level 1, Increased Duration 20/20, Immortal call level 3, and Warlord's Mark level 5. The Warlords provides endurance charges every so often, but the IC is really just for instant hit burst damage anyway - so it lets me murder a huge batch of porcupine monsters and survive.

I keep a slower projectiles socketed that I switch out if I need single target damage. I also keep a faster projectiles for the case where I want to snipe something off screen without risking much - specifically Hall of the Grandmasters. :)

I use an Ancestral Protector to boost attack speed and provide another target during busy areas, like breaches and perandus boxes.

Even then, I still have some open slots, so I fill those with spare ST gems to try to corrupt to level 21 after they hit 20/20.
Current league IGN: Teldra_Anc_LAD
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grimjack68 wrote:
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Aevaris wrote:
This is my first non-life build, and am having a lot of fun so far.

Here is where I am at with gear / gems but having a hard time knowing what is best gem wise beyond the 6L.



For the CWDT setup, OP and and some others have immortal call. This is a life setup im used to, but in this build where do we get endurance charges to use it?

For other gears, not sure what to put in. I'm missing a few vaal gems (discipline/haste) which I'll pick up, but for the others? Seems like a lot of missing gem slots.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
I run CWDT level 1, Increased Duration 20/20, Immortal call level 3, and Warlord's Mark level 5. The Warlords provides endurance charges every so often, but the IC is really just for instant hit burst damage anyway - so it lets me murder a huge batch of porcupine monsters and survive.

I keep a slower projectiles socketed that I switch out if I need single target damage. I also keep a faster projectiles for the case where I want to snipe something off screen without risking much - specifically Hall of the Grandmasters. :)

I use an Ancestral Protector to boost attack speed and provide another target during busy areas, like breaches and perandus boxes.

Even then, I still have some open slots, so I fill those with spare ST gems to try to corrupt to level 21 after they hit 20/20.


Thank you that is very helpful. One other question ATM. How do we trigger Elemental overload? Just standard crit chance through ST?
Critical chance is ~7%. On average you'll put 25+ projectiles in the air every second. If only half of those hit, you're still going to get at least 1 crit every second, and you only need one every 8... so... you'll have EO up all the time. :)
Current league IGN: Teldra_Anc_LAD
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grimjack68 wrote:
@frost21

The wise oak ... as long as you adjust your resistances so that lightning is your top, it gives you an additional 20% lightning penetration. That's hard to turn down. Also, it boosts your resistances overall so you can take reduced resistance maps in stride. Add in the fact that you get 6 seconds for 20 kills, and you can basically have it up all the time.

I've tried both the 3 rat and astramentis. I get more damage, es, and int with the astramentis. Maybe I'm missing something, but until I figure it out, I'm sticking with my astramentis.

Honestly, your belt looks pretty damn nice. It's probably the last thing I'd try to min/max.

I absolutely still use a mana flask - I don't need it often, but it's nice to never worry about mana, and it's gotten me out of some tight spots. Reminds me, I still need to re-roll mine, it's my anti-freeze flask, and I haven't needed that since uber lab. My flasks are Silver with extra charges and bleed, Wise Oak, Vinktar, Hallowed Mana, and Atziri's.



Alright so I finished Uber lab and now have Avatar of the Veil :) . Also was able to 6l my chest in 495 fusings after not being able to even re-5link it from the last 200+ lol. I was just wondering is using Added Lightning damage instead of faster attacks a huge dps loss? (Don't have the right colors and would rather not reroll if its not a big difference in damage).


Going to also grab an astra ammy soon probably as well as the wise oak flask. Thanks for all the help so far.
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frost21 wrote:
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grimjack68 wrote:
@frost21

The wise oak ... as long as you adjust your resistances so that lightning is your top, it gives you an additional 20% lightning penetration. That's hard to turn down. Also, it boosts your resistances overall so you can take reduced resistance maps in stride. Add in the fact that you get 6 seconds for 20 kills, and you can basically have it up all the time.

I've tried both the 3 rat and astramentis. I get more damage, es, and int with the astramentis. Maybe I'm missing something, but until I figure it out, I'm sticking with my astramentis.

Honestly, your belt looks pretty damn nice. It's probably the last thing I'd try to min/max.

I absolutely still use a mana flask - I don't need it often, but it's nice to never worry about mana, and it's gotten me out of some tight spots. Reminds me, I still need to re-roll mine, it's my anti-freeze flask, and I haven't needed that since uber lab. My flasks are Silver with extra charges and bleed, Wise Oak, Vinktar, Hallowed Mana, and Atziri's.



Alright so I finished Uber lab and now have Avatar of the Veil :) . Also was able to 6l my chest in 495 fusings after not being able to even re-5link it from the last 200+ lol. I was just wondering is using Added Lightning damage instead of faster attacks a huge dps loss? (Don't have the right colors and would rather not reroll if its not a big difference in damage).


Going to also grab an astra ammy soon probably as well as the wise oak flask. Thanks for all the help so far.


I switched over to Faster Attacks over Added Lightning and the DPS is about the same in tooltip and in practice so far. Faster Attacks does feel a lot smoother and Frenzy charges are up faster, but if you don't have the chromes to reliably color and to possibly go back if you don't like it it'd be better to just focus on upgrading your stuff first.
Currently lvl 95. dps in ho with golem 41.8k.

still missing int on helmet and low int roll on one ring.

Gear:

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tree

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https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIBAQHRAecDHgQHBfkOSA-rES8RUBGBEZYUdRXXFfAWvxcmGYoZ1xpVG8gdTx8CH0Ei9CPTKjgrCiy_LR8uUzBbNbk2PTbFNug8vkHQQzFGaUyzTP9OKlT-VYVWSFZjVvpaGluvXfJfal9wYSFiWmOnbAttGW1sbyd1y3fXePl6hH7dfyt_xoNthMWE74aujX6NuY9gj_qQCpMnlcyXBppqmyabtZ_LoS-jiqTCpcunK6cwrTOv67VIt7a95r6KvqfBxcMzwzrEos_d0B_QrdDQ02_Tftgk2NXawd1G35jjhOd05-ro1upi6xTsGO0_7g7vevGK-TP5Y_1u

Last edited by MusicalMind#5591 on Apr 9, 2017, 4:03:38 AM
Ok i need some help.

My tooltip with aura and golem on a 6 link is 33k. 28k on 5 link. The forum guide says 48k dps

I got 1245 int.

This is my gear. Whats the best upgrade. Imo my rings is good, maybe a low wed roll on belt.

How much does qual on gems do to the dps?

The post above me have alot more dps, by cant see why.




Tree: https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIBAQHRAecDHgQHBfkNjQ5IES8RUBGWFdcV8BcmGYoZ1xpVGyUbyB1PHwIfQSLqIvQj0yo4Kwosvy0fLlMwWzW5Nj02xTboPL5B0EMxRmlLrkyzTP9OKlT-VYVWSFZjVvpaGluvXfJfal9wYSFsC20ZbWxvJ3XLePl6hH7dfyt_xoNthMWE74aujX6NuY9gj_qQCpMnlcyXBppqm7Wfy6Evo4qly6crpzCtM6_rtUi3tr3mvoq-p8HFwzPDOsSiz93QH9Ct0NDTb9gk2NXZW9rB53Tn6ujW6QLqYusU62PsGO0_7g7v6_GK-TP5Y_zF_W4=
Last edited by Jimmiq#3508 on Apr 9, 2017, 4:57:24 AM
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SocceR wrote:
i try to craft a good opal ring
what is the best way ?
craft with essence of spite / of wrath ?

Spite. Takes away one available suffix, and flat lightning damage / elemental damage with weapons are both prefixes, so it maximizes your chances of getting more useful affixes.

Math...
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Spite means you still have 3 chances in 12 of hitting the good prefixes, because there are only 12 prefixes available. Plus you have 2 chances out of 21 of hitting the last good suffix.

Wrath, OTOH, means you have 2 chances in 12 of hitting the good prefixes, and 3 / 21 of hitting the 2 good suffixes.

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Jimmiq wrote:
Ok i need some help.

My tooltip with aura and golem on a 6 link is 33k. 28k on 5 link. The forum guide says 48k dps

I got 1245 int.

This is my gear. Whats the best upgrade. Imo my rings is good, maybe a low wed roll on belt.

How much does qual on gems do to the dps?

The post above me have alot more dps, by cant see why.




Tree: https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIBAQHRAecDHgQHBfkNjQ5IES8RUBGWFdcV8BcmGYoZ1xpVGyUbyB1PHwIfQSLqIvQj0yo4Kwosvy0fLlMwWzW5Nj02xTboPL5B0EMxRmlLrkyzTP9OKlT-VYVWSFZjVvpaGluvXfJfal9wYSFsC20ZbWxvJ3XLePl6hH7dfyt_xoNthMWE74aujX6NuY9gj_qQCpMnlcyXBppqm7Wfy6Evo4qly6crpzCtM6_rtUi3tr3mvoq-p8HFwzPDOsSiz93QH9Ct0NDTb9gk2NXZW9rB53Tn6ujW6QLqYusU62PsGO0_7g7v6_GK-TP5Y_zF_W4=
Quality on gems is going to help quite a bit.

Each of the main gems adds 10% damage, essentially. So you're missing out on possibly a 45% boost, depending on the quality of your 6th gem. I've got a lower int than you (1204), almost exactly the same tree, and gear that's awfully similar, except my gems are all q20 level 19 or 20. HO tooltip for me is 40.5k, fully buffed I'm ~150k. Also, I'm using Astramentis instead of the 3 rat, but I can't see that making that much of a difference.
Current league IGN: Teldra_Anc_LAD
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