EXALTED ORB Price Shenanigans [Delirium] 127:1 What is even going on?

Snorkle is not wrong though, right now MF gear is a waste. Take bisco collar right now just as an example that's sitting at 13-15ex. Think of that alone. How many hours of farming you have to spend in order to pay back for that bisco? Once you finally do it, you just break even and then the farming for ''gains'' starts.

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andreicde wrote:

Snorkle is not wrong though, right now MF gear is a waste. Take bisco collar right now just as an example that's sitting at 13-15ex. Think of that alone. How many hours of farming you have to spend in order to pay back for that bisco? Once you finally do it, you just break even and then the farming for ''gains'' starts.

MF gear is not waste. Decent Ventors / Goldwyrm and Sadima's will pay for themselves really quick. And Bisco's Leash worth basically nothing.

Even Bisco's Amu is not waste if you go hard on farming. People also forget that you can just sell your Bisco anytime.

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SunL4D2 wrote:

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andreicde wrote:

Snorkle is not wrong though, right now MF gear is a waste. Take bisco collar right now just as an example that's sitting at 13-15ex. Think of that alone. How many hours of farming you have to spend in order to pay back for that bisco? Once you finally do it, you just break even and then the farming for ''gains'' starts.

MF gear is not waste. Decent Ventors / Goldwyrm and Sadima's will pay for themselves really quick. And Bisco's Leash worth basically nothing.

Even Bisco's Amu is not waste if you go hard on farming. People also forget that you can just sell your Bisco anytime.

Assuming you're unemployed and assuming price stays the same, yes you could farm for bisco's Amu

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andreicde wrote:

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SunL4D2 wrote:

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andreicde wrote:

Snorkle is not wrong though, right now MF gear is a waste. Take bisco collar right now just as an example that's sitting at 13-15ex. Think of that alone. How many hours of farming you have to spend in order to pay back for that bisco? Once you finally do it, you just break even and then the farming for ''gains'' starts.

MF gear is not waste. Decent Ventors / Goldwyrm and Sadima's will pay for themselves really quick. And Bisco's Leash worth basically nothing.

Even Bisco's Amu is not waste if you go hard on farming. People also forget that you can just sell your Bisco anytime.

Assuming you're unemployed and assuming price stays the same, yes you could farm for bisco's Amu

No need to be jealous of people who are in control of their time and can do what they want with it. *shrugs*

You can work and still play a lot btw.

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LowBudget780 wrote:

Every single league (I've played anyways) ex prices start to fluctuate towards standard prices about a month in. I see the same conspiracy theories float around every single time this happens but it's mostly just people who are mad because they didn't grab a bunch when they were cheap and they need to vent.

Rising from 40c to 80c in roughly 2-3 days can hardly be defined as "fluctuating".
Sincerely, someone that grabbed a bunch.

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andreicde wrote:

Snorkle is not wrong though, right now MF gear is a waste. Take bisco collar right now just as an example that's sitting at 13-15ex. Think of that alone. How many hours of farming you have to spend in order to pay back for that bisco? Once you finally do it, you just break even and then the farming for ''gains'' starts.

youll never make it back, ever, not at that price.

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SunL4D2 wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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Decent Ventor - 2+ ex, not even max rolled Goldwyrm is 10+c, not to mention all of MF pieces put extra pressure on your gear, because they lack vital stats.

MF is expensive. You confuse pooor man's attempt to scramble together a few rare pieces with rarity and proper MF.

theres literally nothing you can tell me about mfing, however long uve spent mfing in this game, i guarantee you ive spent 10x as many hours doing it. I know what budget mfing brings, I know what expensive mfing brings, I know what absurd legacy mfing brings with quantity gems and 30% boots.

Trust me when I tell you what it brings is a lot of alterations and a lot of porting back to town to sell shit at best. You get a few more uniques, very rarely high tier, Ive noticed absolutely 0 increase in t1 unique drops while mfing vs speed clearing in 1000s of hours spent doing both. You get an abundance of yellow items and shit tier uniques, a small increase in currency drops which are basically all chance orbs, alts, trans, jewellers, alchs maybe. If u get lucky a chaos or 2. You can mf with horrendous numbers all week and not find a single exalt and u can take the mf gear off play normally and find 3 in 1 day.

Trust me when I say quantity from white mobs is never going to net you double figure exalt returns in any sane time span.


Youre confusing spending money with making money. I have mf gear in standard, I have everything in standard, so I can put together an mf char with all the correct gears without spending a penny on anything, its just self found. In a league if u want to effectively make extra money from mf use what u find, ur gonna get the silly ventors cards, if u get a good one then cool, ull loot them, same thing. The returns on spending serious money vs just using what u find or spending 1c on a piece here or there is fairly irrelevant, you could be using that money to buy items that will go up in value as the league progresses, investing in exalts while their half the price they will be etc. If u find a biscos and theyre worth 5ex+ best thing u can do as an mfer is sell it and use some shit tier deeps amulet u found to go faster. Last league I mfed I found 3 biscos and sold them all.

Guy in my guild linked an exalt and was so hyped he got an ex back from his biscos already having only put it on 15 mins ago. I asked him what dropped it, he said a magic mob... right so the biscos had 0 effect on that drop. Ppl who mf put their loot down to that mf, they are not really considering what they would have got without the mf, its so over rated. I do it in leagues from time to time, and I profit from it, but thats because I spend virtually doing it.

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

No offence but it's you that's missing the point of MF. good MF gear is not 1 chaos, or 15 chaos. The idea is you will quickly make back the cost of your gear.

you wont, not if ur spending exalts. You might make exalts, sure, and youd still have made almost all of them if ud just stacked deeps and cleared faster.

I also support the statements that MF is inefficient as an orb farming strategy. It never was, even in days of much more potent (and cheap/common) IIQ items. Even then, when MF was "the standard", it resulted mostly in professional alt farmers and a few more mid tier uniques - which had higher prices in a difference of now, and it mattered for getting rich.

But high orb targeted farming? Never worked. High orbs and T1 items has always been pure luck.

Probably years ago, before blue and yellow mobs had their natural IQ cut in half, it could have mattered. Probably.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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andreicde wrote:

Snorkle is not wrong though, right now MF gear is a waste. Take bisco collar right now just as an example that's sitting at 13-15ex. Think of that alone. How many hours of farming you have to spend in order to pay back for that bisco? Once you finally do it, you just break even and then the farming for ''gains'' starts.

youll never make it back, ever, not at that price.

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SunL4D2 wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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Decent Ventor - 2+ ex, not even max rolled Goldwyrm is 10+c, not to mention all of MF pieces put extra pressure on your gear, because they lack vital stats.

MF is expensive. You confuse pooor man's attempt to scramble together a few rare pieces with rarity and proper MF.

theres literally nothing you can tell me about mfing, however long uve spent mfing in this game, i guarantee you ive spent 10x as many hours doing it. I know what budget mfing brings, I know what expensive mfing brings, I know what absurd legacy mfing brings with quantity gems and 30% boots.

Trust me when I tell you what it brings is a lot of alterations and a lot of porting back to town to sell shit at best. You get a few more uniques, very rarely high tier, Ive noticed absolutely 0 increase in t1 unique drops while mfing vs speed clearing in 1000s of hours spent doing both. You get an abundance of yellow items and shit tier uniques, a small increase in currency drops which are basically all chance orbs, alts, trans, jewellers, alchs maybe. If u get lucky a chaos or 2. You can mf with horrendous numbers all week and not find a single exalt and u can take the mf gear off play normally and find 3 in 1 day.

Trust me when I say quantity from white mobs is never going to net you double figure exalt returns in any sane time span.


Youre confusing spending money with making money. I have mf gear in standard, I have everything in standard, so I can put together an mf char with all the correct gears without spending a penny on anything, its just self found. In a league if u want to effectively make extra money from mf use what u find, ur gonna get the silly ventors cards, if u get a good one then cool, ull loot them, same thing. The returns on spending serious money vs just using what u find or spending 1c on a piece here or there is fairly irrelevant, you could be using that money to buy items that will go up in value as the league progresses, investing in exalts while their half the price they will be etc. If u find a biscos and theyre worth 5ex+ best thing u can do as an mfer is sell it and use some shit tier deeps amulet u found to go faster. Last league I mfed I found 3 biscos and sold them all.

Guy in my guild linked an exalt and was so hyped he got an ex back from his biscos already having only put it on 15 mins ago. I asked him what dropped it, he said a magic mob... right so the biscos had 0 effect on that drop. Ppl who mf put their loot down to that mf, they are not really considering what they would have got without the mf, its so over rated. I do it in leagues from time to time, and I profit from it, but thats because I spend virtually doing it.

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

No offence but it's you that's missing the point of MF. good MF gear is not 1 chaos, or 15 chaos. The idea is you will quickly make back the cost of your gear.

you wont, not if ur spending exalts. You might make exalts, sure, and youd still have made almost all of them if ud just stacked deeps and cleared faster.

Should we really read such a huge post written by someone who was already proven wrong about the subject? TL:DR about MF stuff pls.

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SunL4D2 wrote:

Sorry, but I am not gonna read such a huge post from someone who is already proven wrong about the subject. TL:DR about MF stuff pls.

you aint proved shit.

tl:dr Ive probably spent longer mfing in this game than u have playing it at all in any form, with top tier mf gear beyond anything uve ever mfed with. So when u give an opinion based on nothing that contradicts my direct experience Im gonna dismiss it.

you want to talk about mf, do yourself a favour and read the post I made so you can at least have some second hand info to inform your opinions.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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SunL4D2 wrote:

Sorry, but I am not gonna read such a huge post from someone who is already proven wrong about the subject. TL:DR about MF stuff pls.

you aint proved shit.

tl:dr Ive probably spent longer mfing in this game than u have playing it at all in any form, with top tier mf gear beyond anything uve ever mfed with. So when u give an opinion based on nothing that contradicts my direct experience Im gonna dismiss it.

you want to talk about mf, do yourself a favour and read the post I made so you can at least have some second hand info to inform your opinions.

And ill more than back up what Snorkle has to say here..

I was MFing back when Farming Dominus was still the thing..

You know what i learned from hundreds of hours of MFing?

Toss the shit on while you level a new build and throw the shit back in your stash once you make it to maps if not before.. and ONLY because it happen to drop ealier for you are its the cheap lvling variety..

You lose way too much damage and defenses to actually in the end gimp your gains you could make from just blasting the map full force. I honestly cant believe ANYONE would drop 15ex+ on a fucking Biscos... ANd think they are gonna PROFIT from that shit... The fuck?? Hahaha
Thats some true meta sheep shit there if i ever seen it. And the sad part is the same goes for sextant blocking and all that bullshit.. While people dump 20+exalts into that shit ive already made 30 in that same time just blasting maps the ol fashioned way and saved ALL that fucking investment. No overhead... i dont have shit i need to recoupe... Pure profit.

Thats how good MF is... And ive only been doing the shit every fucking league since 1.3...
Well up till 2 leagues ago when i finally faced the facts and give the fuck up on it and focused on what really brings the bread... Good ol fashioned map smashing. With everything you got as efficient as possible. All the MF gear in the world will never beat that shit. But by all means stay in your T8-11 maps thinking your blasting and making currency on your 50+exalt MF with your 20+ex sextant blocks.. Make sure you figure in all that investment at the end of the league... You MIGHT have made back your build and blocks.. but i highly doubt it.. You'll break even at the very best. Meanwhile people who dont even bother with that shit are sitting on more exalts than they could even waste... And it didn't cost them a damn thing once their build was done. And have fun doing shaper, uber, elder or anything else in all that gimped shit... Ill stick to investing where it counts.

And just to be clear on sextants so there no confusion.. Yes you CAN make bank on Sextants they are quite powerful and you could invest there and recoup and possibly profit... But not when the fucking things are up to the point your litteraly investing as much in blocking and most importantly UPKEEP as you do your build itself to clear if not MORE... When your pushing the point your investing 50+c in 3 maps before you ever fucking roll it, chisel it, zana it, sac frag it, or run it.. Nah i struggle to believe you'll come on to the good in the end. Maybe when they drop back down to earth when they fall off the fucking hype train their on right now.. Not when i can skip all that invest almost nothing in comparison and by the time its all said and done ive done nearly 2 times as many maps and pulled pure profit with nothing to recoupe.. Sorry im not seeing it...

But please follow your favorite streamer.. Ive got a great laugh almost every single morning when i see threads talking about they invest in all this shit and not even coming close to breaking even.. hell they dont even have fucking maps to run apparently. Hahaha