[3.7] Ahfack's Crimson Cyclone | Shaper FULL Life Kill Vid | 100% Pure Phys | All Content | PoBs

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splendidum wrote:

thanks for build
shaper down with 18 lvl gems in bestiary league

NICE!

Hello Ahfack, and thx you for your great build! I have 3 questions for you about my Starforge version of your Cyclone build. I killed uber elder several times with it. Here is my PoB https://pastebin.com/0Z2QUauR. I am not that rich, so I couldn't buy gg steel rings with int, +1 curse amulets or insanity gloves. That said, here are my 3 questions!

1) Is bleeding really worth it on a Starforge? I actually have 25% chance to inflict bleeding. I tried it out in maps and against bosses. Damage from bleeding is decent but I feel like I can't inflict enemies 8 times with bleeding consistently with only 25% chance. When I was fighting against uber elder I just felt more comfortable cutting Crimson Dance and Bloodletting to get more Hp or mitigations. It went better this way. Besides, since I don't have commandment of fury enchantment for gloves (i'm wearing spiked gloves) I don't feel to have any advantage from bleeding as well. This is the first build with bleeding I try, so if I said a bunch of stupid things forgive me :D

2) Is non-legacy Kaom's Heart + not taking Blood Magic really the best way to go? I chose BM + belly of the beast + impresence phys amulet to run vulnerabity for free instead and I feel really good about that.
CONS of my setup
a) What I'm losing this way is the enfeeble curse, which I can't cast with blasphemy
b) the damage/utility that daresso's amulet gives us.
c) Kaom's Heart ofc gives more life then the Belly.
d) Impresence Amulet gives us no resistences when compared to Daresso's, so it is slightly harder to cap res for elemental weakness.
PROS of my setup
a) I will always have more life overall then non-legacy kaom's + non-BM builds. I feel like having a larger life pool resolves the issue of not using enfeeble, since we already mitigate some damage through EHP, when it comes to uber bosses (who are not fully affected by curses)
b) No need to grab mana leech on tree/rings/gloves
c) Leap Slam is faster, because I cut blood magic and put in culling strike with 23% quality which increases attack speed.
d) 6L Ancestral Warchief inside my Belly of the Beast deals massive amount of damage. Setup in PoB link.
e) I have more space in my gem slots to put in a more powerful utility setup
lightning golem - cwdt - immortal call - increased duration. I will consider to add enfeeble instead of increased duration if I will vaal an Impresence Amulet for +1 curse. I also had space to put in Rallying Cry, which is also nice I guess. You can use it taunt nearby enemies and keep your totem alive more reliably.

3) Is commandment of fury enchantment really better then spiked gloves implicit overall? I know the enchantment is crazy when it comes to clearing, but still, 20% melee damage is better against bosses I guess, especially if you are on a budget and can't afford gg steel rings.

My english is far from perfect, so I hope everything was understandable! Thx you for your answers and for the wonderful build you create! :D

Thanks for all the advice. I realized that my gear was outdated and increasing my damage fixed my mana issues. Now I'm 71 and tearing through low level maps while looking for the trials to get into Uber Lab.

I have a couple new questions:

1. Now that I've filled in the key stuff in my passive tree I'm not sure how to prioritize the next few points. I could go for Butchery on the left side, just to finish that side off, or focus on the bottom and aim for either Splitting Strikes, Hematophagy, or Crimson Dance. I'm not sure how to compare these nodes to determine which direction to go first.

2. I have 4200 life, all resists (except chaos) maxed, and a 4L Kaom's Primacy. What's the best way to make currency to take the next step toward getting the end-game items, which all cost several Ex? I like maps more than lab, but so far the low level ones don't produce much value. Should I just focus on finding trials and running Lab until I can afford better gear, or work my way up through maps?

Thanks, now that I've figured things out I'm really enjoying the build!

I think i finished my(mostly more classical)cycloner with 206k HD dps and 8700k HP on 550 regen

As for BM nod - i can say only one, NO dont use it, as for Bleed - classical conc eff in set up is really better in all fights(on maps u can use AOE or Rarity)

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Jedi_blr wrote:

As for BM nod - i can say only one, NO dont use it

Can you pls motivate your sentence?

BM + now is only on 35%hp(not 10 or 15% more hp like we ask GGG,old builds use BM cos mana cost of 6-L cyclone was insane)
now u can use 6-l cyclone on 0.4%!!! mana leech only with 200 mana easy, so:
1. u can use Enfeeble or Temp CH for defence or Vulnerability for dmg < if u have +1 curse u can use 2 of this
2. Damage on full life - superb gem for this build on this class
3. Daressos amulet( BIS ammul for this build) DMG

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Jedi_blr wrote:

1. u can use Enfeeble or Temp CH for defence or Vulnerability for dmg < if u have +1 curse u can use 2 of this
2. Damage on full life - superb gem for this build on this class
3. Daressos amulet( BIS ammul for this build) DMG

1) I still use Vulnerability thx to Impresence Amulet, for free reservation, I only lack enfeeble/Temp chain, but I compensate for the lack of this curse with the superior amount of life granted by BM nodes.
2) Because of no life reservation, Damage on full life also triggers with BM, even with an active bloodrage.
3) The only thing is Daresso's amulet, but i feel that 60% increased damage did not scale that well honeslty when I tried it! Impresence Amulet has also some nice flat phys damage, life, and armor, which is not bad at all imho

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Morgoth92 wrote:

3) The only thing is Daresso's amulet, but i feel that 60% increased damage did not scale that well honeslty when I tried it!

that is why BM sux for Dmg on full life - and real effective dmg on my build and ur char is huge, and u forget why Daressos is BIS - +2 melee range, not 60% dmg

I don't have +1 curses yet, so I really only run vulnerability. I was thinking about swapping in Arctic Armour in the helm in place of Enfeeble. Any reason I should not do this?

Yo Ahfack thank you so much for the guide my dude, just got my first ever Guardian killed (also only one death :^)) very hyped to see how far this build will take me.