I see you mention 2 red sockets for frenzy a lot but to get 4 green 2 red on a shavs 6 link its something ridiculous like 0.11% to get (87k chromes..), however 4 green 1 blue 1 red is a lot easier being only 2.6% to get.
Hey Cyrix, I can understand what you are saying here, and I get the frustration with folks not willing to dig into it themselves.
With that being said, I have never used nor understood Indigon and I am trying to understand how you are spending enough mana to make use of it. When I google guides about the helm they seem to make use of gems and other things to increase mana spent by a lot, but I don't see those in the POB you have.
Would you be willing to give me a really rough/quick idea of how it works in this build?
Sorry if the questions is answered elsewhere, you can point me in that direction that is the case.
Essentially thats were the two red sockets in the 6-link frenzy come into play. The two most expensive (in terms of mana!) support gems in the game are red gems.
Its melee splash and multistrike.
They do *NOTHING* for frenzy (fired from a wand) itself. They can stay at lv1 and have no quality. They are *ONLY* there to make the Frenzy more expensive.
We can afford to do something like that - useing support gems soley because they increase mana - since our frenzy is just there to trigger the Poet's Pens. Frenzy doesn't deal any significant amount of damage in this build.
Thats why we can get away with a lot less mana-increase investment then other Builds who need to put supports into their skill that actually make sense - but do not increase the mana as much.
The other point is that we use Voidbringers - which can roll with up to 80% increased ManaCost. That means they are almost worth as much as a Fevered Mind Jewel - which is propably one jewel you see other builds use as well.
Last but not least: We do not build 'around' Indigon. A lot of people/buildguides *focus* on this Item - they play a Hierophant, with lots of mana increases - 3 Grand Spectrums, fevered Minds etc etc.
But they tend to forget that Investment has diminishing returns - meaning: Its easy to go from 1k Mana to 2.5k Mana. (For us thats basically just the Healthy Mind) But its really costly to go from 3k Mana to 5k comperativly.
So I simple did not do that with this build. I instead snatched up other multipliers - like Frenzy Charges, CritMultis, Crit, LightningPenetraion, Curses, Pain Attunment, Shock and PowerCharges... - it was always on the back of my mind to make 'efficient' choices - not to overcommit to one mechanic or another. Thats why this build works without an Indigon and just with a Vertex for example.
Thats also why it works with an Indigon without crazy commitment to it - even though we do not get that much out of an Indigon as other builds - we still get enough out of it to be efficient with our nodes and other mechanics to outperform other builds overall. Even if we only get 700% increased SpellDamage out of Indion - we have like a *10 overall Multiplier due to other stuff. Meaning we effectivly get 7000% increased Damage out of our Indigon. Even though on paper we 'waste' indigon compared to other builds who get 5000% increased SpellDamage out of Indigon but have no other Multiplier going.
Last but not least: It makes us fairly nerf-proof. Though we obviously never know on that front. :P
So thats my basic Idea behind this build and its relationship with Indigon.
You, Sir, are a gem for taking the time to explain that, very clear! Thanks!
I see you mention 2 red sockets for frenzy a lot but to get 4 green 2 red on a shavs 6 link its something ridiculous like 0.11% to get (87k chromes..), however 4 green 1 blue 1 red is a lot easier being only 2.6% to get.
Vorici it with Jewelers. And yeah - 4g1r1b is also okay.
You see me mentioning it a lot but you don't understand - pardon my french - shit.
If you guys would stop to *READ* and *UNDERSTAND* WHY I talk about two reds you could infer for yourself that a blue socket is still a 140% mana multi instead of the 160% (?) or so from the red one. Its worse, yes. But not by much. By how much you can find out if you - check this out! - READ the damn OP and calculate the damageoffset by yourself. Maybe there is not even one for your particular gear setup!
In any case 2 red sockets are not fu**ing needed. Just think(!) for once.
I am so done with people like you.
This is exactly why I don't bother explaining things anymore. Play with a Vertex. Have a nice day - happy delving exile.
hey this is my first time playing poet pen, and tbh i dont know shit about the damage scaller or anything. i just follow the postbin provided by him . as u can see my gear and gem is not even optimised .. but hell yeah i can facetank minotaur eventho the damage is jst not that great .. here's the video i jst recorded . just for fun !, thanks for the build tho. looking forward to upgrade my gear and tree to indigon setup .
hey this is my first time playing poet pen, and tbh i dont know shit about the damage scaller or anything. i just follow the postbin provided by him . as u can see my gear and gem is not even optimised .. but hell yeah i can facetank minotaur eventho the damage is jst not that great .. here's the video i jst recorded . just for fun !, thanks for the build tho. looking forward to upgrade my gear and tree to indigon setup .
Spoiler
https://youtu.be/QfOZfrDri1Q
Nice tank vid!
I checked out your char in PoB only cause you mentioned the damage issue. Damage should definitely not be a problem with this build but that can depend on the map mods of course. But, one thing I noticed was your Frenzy attacks per second. With 3 Frenzy charges your APS is 3.96. You're probably skipping some attacks which can bring down your damage. You want to try to keep your Frenzy APS around 3.75-ish with maxed (3) frenzy charges. To do that, lower the quality of the linked support gems (GMP, CS, FA).
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Thanks a lot. Noted !! So wht do u think about upgrade priority, wht shoud i focus on next. Can someone pm me? Cuz seriously im a noob and think i liked to stay in this huild until the league ends. Thanks!!
Thanks a lot. Noted !! So wht do u think about upgrade priority, wht shoud i focus on next. Can someone pm me? Cuz seriously im a noob and think i liked to stay in this huild until the league ends. Thanks!!
Things look pretty good. Your Wise Oak flask isn't doing anything for you though because your uncapped lightning res isn't highest. I'd suggest either tweaking your gear/jewels to make uncapped lightning res the highest or get rid of the flask. Besides that, it's just min/maxing. A relevant helm enchant would be nice but it doesn't look like there are any available in Delve for sale at the moment and it's a pain to keep running labs with Twice Enchanted.
Hey, really fun build, of course you can't go far wrong with pens, but this build seem to maximize their effectiveness, so props to you for that! I have a couple of small questions. How important is ball lightning lvl 21 for this build, how much DPS it realistically adds for a fight like Uber, and is 20% increased lightning damage local or global on the gem? And last question, does extra chaos damage from Malediction node even work? I haven't seen DPS increase from in-game tooltips, and there's also no stacking icon for cursed enemies killed, like there's one for Vile Bastion and it's stacking ES regen rate.
550 alts in not even a singel curse on hit -.- i had 550 (didn't buy any and am not really using them right now so what ever) wtf?
it is so hard to get it? 550 alts are quite a bit. i got everything besindes the 2 enlighten so i will prob start with the vertex version after getting the ring :(
EDIT:
after scourer alching some ( got some as well :D) i got this:
i should have not used the alchs :( i can't add any resist because 3 suffixes -.-
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