3.6 Hierophant Divine Ire Totems (Starter)(Budget)(All Content)

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JTM_1 wrote:

So apologies in advance if this is a silly question but I'm a bit of a new player. I'm very interested in this totem build and notice that some other totem builds use spiritual aid in the passive tree but this one doesn't seem to? Is there no advantage to using spiritual aid? Thanks!

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XpeterschmidtX wrote:

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JTM_1 wrote:

So apologies in advance if this is a silly question but I'm a bit of a new player. I'm very interested in this totem build and notice that some other totem builds use spiritual aid in the passive tree but this one doesn't seem to? Is there no advantage to using spiritual aid? Thanks!

I leveled with Spritual Aid. I think later the crit multi notes in the tree gives more dps.

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Phatbuds wrote:

I'm playing this in SSF and the build is really strong, haven't had any issues up to T15 and it still shreds through bosses.

One thing that is important to note is I keep seeing people take multiple totems with soul mantle and this is a mistake.

Let's assume you have 4 totems (+1 from hiero, +1 from soul mantle, +1 from tree) and they hit for 100 dmg each.

Without multiple totems:
4 totems * 100 dmg * 1.39 multiplier = 556 dmg per activation of all totems (im counting the multiplier for swapping from multiple totems to infused channeling)

With multiple totems:
6 totems * 100 dmg * 0.86 multiplier = 516 dmg per activation of all totems (0.86 because 0.8 from multiple totems less damage and 0.06 increase from 2 extra totems and hiero ascendancy)

Multiple totems gets even worse when you also get another +1 from a shaper shield. If you only have a total of 3 totems then multiple totems outperforms a damage support by a little bit, but be careful and check the exact numbers since it is extremely close. But with soul mantle multiple totems should be worse than just going more damage.

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JTM_1 wrote:

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Phatbuds wrote:

I'm playing this in SSF and the build is really strong, haven't had any issues up to T15 and it still shreds through bosses.

One thing that is important to note is I keep seeing people take multiple totems with soul mantle and this is a mistake.

Let's assume you have 4 totems (+1 from hiero, +1 from soul mantle, +1 from tree) and they hit for 100 dmg each.

Without multiple totems:
4 totems * 100 dmg * 1.39 multiplier = 556 dmg per activation of all totems (im counting the multiplier for swapping from multiple totems to infused channeling)

With multiple totems:
6 totems * 100 dmg * 0.86 multiplier = 516 dmg per activation of all totems (0.86 because 0.8 from multiple totems less damage and 0.06 increase from 2 extra totems and hiero ascendancy)

Multiple totems gets even worse when you also get another +1 from a shaper shield. If you only have a total of 3 totems then multiple totems outperforms a damage support by a little bit, but be careful and check the exact numbers since it is extremely close. But with soul mantle multiple totems should be worse than just going more damage.

That's good info and just for clarity so I understand... Is it just the multiple totems support gem that nerfs the damage from having the added totems? So if I get a +1 summon totem on my shield for example and no multiple totems support, that has no nerf to damage right? Since it is straight up just allowing another totem?

So I'm thinking 5 totems (+1 from hiero, +1 from soul mantle, +1 from tree, +1 from shield) and no multiple totem support gem (replace with a damage support gem) would be better right?

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Phatbuds wrote:

Yep, that's exactly right, the multiple totems support comes with a less damage multiplier which you have to consider when calculating if the extra totems are worth it. Other sources of +1 totem like a shaper shield and soul mantle are just an extra totem which is a huge damage boost. So the 5 total totem setup you described is optimal for damage, with no multiple totems gem.