[3.7] 1H-Impale Cyclone Champion/Slayer - 16M+ Shaper DPS Fullbuffed / 158%-220% Movspeed Speedy Boy

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muunisti wrote:

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fapmonkey2 wrote:

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Shampoo_br wrote:

I drop this one. Maybe not good as another version with precision increased Attack Damage, but was luck drop it

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This is what I use. It's nearly as much damage against bosses as a +2 to impale hits (12% more dmg compared to 13.3% more), and is half the price (for some reason I can't fathom). Also it works from the first hit, whereas the +2 version only starts to kick in after 5 stacks (which takes about 0.37 seconds on my setup). So it's way better for mapping, and also better vs bosses, due to the fact that +2 has to make up for 0.37 seconds worth of lost damage, with only a 1.3% edge over the 'chance for double damage' version. In fact, you would have to be constantly hitting a boss for nearly 4 seconds before +2 even catches up with the damage that 'chance for double damage' version would have done, and even after that +2 is only does 1.1% more dps. Shaper doesn't last nearly that long. Not sure why the market hasn't cottoned on to this. Or am I missing something?

Hmm my formula for impale damage is 2,11*1*hits(5to9)*10. Without the watchers eye it gives me with 5 hits (2,11*1*5*10) 105,5 more damage and with watchers eye I get 2,11*1*7*10=147,7 so it seems like a pretty big upgrade. With champion I could get 2,11*1*9*10=189,9.

2,11 comes from +111% impale effect since I got the skewering passives and level 21 impale support and 1 is 100% chance to impale. I got the formula from some mbXtreme video, so I cant vouch for that.

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fapmonkey2 wrote:

Ah I see where I went wrong now. I thought I could cancel out all the more multipliers and just say 1.7/1.5 = 1.13, but you can't because the multipliers have to be added to 1 first before they become actual multipliers. So here's the (hopefully correct now) calculation:

2.11*1*5*10 = 105.5% more damage (5 stacks), so the multiplier is 2.055
2.11*1*7*10 = 147.7% more damage (7 stacks), so the multiplier is 2.477
2.11*1*9*10 = 189.9% more damage (9 stacks), so the multiplier is 2.899

So going from 5>7 stacks, it's 2.477/2.055 = 1.205, so 20.5% more damage.
Going from 7>9 stacks it's 2.899/2.477 = 1.17, so 17% more damage.

from 5>7, assuming it takes 0.37 secs to get to full stacks, +2 will catch up with '12% chance' after n seconds where n satisfies 20.5(n-0.37) = 12n. So n= 0.89 seconds. Meaning +2 starts to overtake 'chance' after 0.89 seconds of constant hitting. If you're on 7 stacks already, +2 is much worse: n satisfies 17(n-0.518) = 12n, so n = 1.7612.

If this maths is correct then I would argue that +2 is absolute shit for champions with master of metal. I also still think 'chance for double damage' version is a bit better at 5 stacks, because 0.89 seconds is still a long time when you're practically insta-phasing shaper.

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WhiteAoT wrote:

Running all content pretty easily meanwhile, but still interested in ways to push my equipment.

One way would probably be well rolled elder steel rings with meele damage and double phys dmg but those are super expensive :/

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