[3.7] 1H-Impale Cyclone Champion/Slayer - 16M+ Shaper DPS Fullbuffed / 158%-220% Movspeed Speedy Boy

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tobikk wrote:

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fgPyrotize wrote:

Hey Szynima,

So I am following the guide you posted, but im a little confused. While I don't have your 700ish mana, when trying to activate all the aura's you mentioned in the post, that adds up to 111% mana reservation, so unless im missing something thats not possible. Can you provide a little bit more insight into that,

Pride: 50%
Flesh and Stone: 35%
Dread Banner: 14%
Blood and Sand: 12%

I love the build so I'm just looking for some clarification on this one hickup.

Thanks!!!!

Celonic

Make sure you don't have linked different support to auras, it will make it reserve more mana.

Pride is 50%, Flesh and stone is 25% (28% when link to 21 Maim, Dread banner and blood and sand are 10%each. So it adds up to 98%.

Edit:

I've looked at your character and your Dread banner is linked to Increased Duration and Flesh and Stone to empower. This makes it reserve more mana.

Oh man, that explains a lot, ill fix that! Thanks so much, I completely forgot about that!

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Szynima wrote:

Can't recommend it, sorry. It's a 20% more multiplier with a bit of mov+attackspeed compared to 15% more multiplier + massive AOE and some accuracy which we also need.

You wouldn't have to change anything gearwise. You just have far less aoe

Why AOE?...Impale stays as its is.

I meant: - Endless Hunger and - Brutal Fervor

And instead + Bane of Legends and + Overwhelm

Means: Impact + Headsman + Bane of Legends + Overwhelm

https://pastebin.com/aW6UGkQm

Almost all Slayer on poe-ninja run this combination so I wondered if the leech node is rly required.

BCs 8% Crit on Weapon sounds rly nice...so only attack speed required and we can grab much more defensive node at the passive tree....and -30% Crit drom enemys makes us a bit more tanky too. (Ofc with BIS endgame gear this node is not required...but with mid-tier surely not bad)

ANd Bane of LEgends sounds nice for clear....but better Endless HUnger instead bcs of bleed and stun res?

I would recommend to make a web-based leveling skill tree. Many people and newbies don't use PoB and don't want to use it. It would be really helpful and you won't be asked again.

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CroDanZ wrote:

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Szynima wrote:

Can't recommend it, sorry. It's a 20% more multiplier with a bit of mov+attackspeed compared to 15% more multiplier + massive AOE and some accuracy which we also need.

You wouldn't have to change anything gearwise. You just have far less aoe

Why AOE?...Impale stays as its is.

I meant: - Endless Hunger and - Brutal Fervor

And instead + Bane of Legends and + Overwhelm

Means: Impact + Headsman + Bane of Legends + Overwhelm

https://pastebin.com/aW6UGkQm

Almost all Slayer on poe-ninja run this combination so I wondered if the leech node is rly required.

BCs 8% Crit on Weapon sounds rly nice...so only attack speed required and we can grab much more defensive node at the passive tree....and -30% Crit drom enemys makes us a bit more tanky too. (Ofc with BIS endgame gear this node is not required...but with mid-tier surely not bad)

ANd Bane of LEgends sounds nice for clear....but better Endless HUnger instead bcs of bleed and stun res?

Well you already have stun immunity while cycloning (which is when you're leeching) so only thing left is bleed immunity... so that node is kinda useless without Brutal Fervoir. So either go upper left or upper right ascendancy clusters. Meaning if you need survivability go Hunger and Fervoir and if you need clear/dmg go Bane and Headsman.

the skill tree for champion is the same for slayer?

So yeah I kill fast but any mob from legion yellow will one shot me t7+ maps I got 4k hp and decent gear I don't get it.

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CroDanZ wrote:

Why AOE?...Impale stays as its is.

I meant: - Endless Hunger and - Brutal Fervor

And instead + Bane of Legends and + Overwhelm

Means: Impact + Headsman + Bane of Legends + Overwhelm

https://pastebin.com/aW6UGkQm

Almost all Slayer on poe-ninja run this combination so I wondered if the leech node is rly required.

BCs 8% Crit on Weapon sounds rly nice...so only attack speed required and we can grab much more defensive node at the passive tree....and -30% Crit drom enemys makes us a bit more tanky too. (Ofc with BIS endgame gear this node is not required...but with mid-tier surely not bad)

ANd Bane of LEgends sounds nice for clear....but better Endless HUnger instead bcs of bleed and stun res?

I'm honestly tired of the discussion. You can take whatever you want, I just give you an example build that gives utility and a rather smooth start into the league. There's many people that haven't complained at all about damage cause they literally 1shot every phase of Uber Elder, yet there's still ppl, barely reaching red maps asking for more damage. I don't get it and I won't bother understanding it.

if you wanna take out the most impactful node on slayer, which is leeching back up without attacking while moving somewhere else or just having ramped up healing ready to get going if you lose hp, I can't help you. If you really think 20% cull is worth dying a lot more, sure you do you. This build has so much damage, we could go without any ascendancy and would still 1shot uelder on respectable gear.

You can swap it however you want, but bringing it up over and over again won't change my mind and I have repeatedly tried to give examples as to why the skilltree will stay as it is.

Overleech is NOT nerfed as much as ppl pretend it is. It's a insane mechanic which must be abused to not die whenever we leave a pack and get hit from sth without attacking, so we for 1 get hit less hard and for 2 we heal fast. So you want to either swap out this mechanic or the most useful mapping passive you have cause you want 5% more damage. The AOE is simply insane and we have even % on it to fix our hitrate. Best part is that our damage is so high you don't even need the 20% cause you barely ever see the last % chunking down.

Weirest part is that you even wanted to take the whole leeching part out, cause you have clearly not been in redmaps and in legion encounters so far. Either you have a lot of defense or you leech a lot and are immune to stun.

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Hanrrison wrote:

the skill tree for champion is the same for slayer?

Mostly, we just take 1 more impale cluster.

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Kirosuko wrote:

So yeah I kill fast but any mob from legion yellow will one shot me t7+ maps I got 4k hp and decent gear I don't get it.

-Missing Basalt Flask
-Missing Leapslam Fortify + Endurance Charge on Stun setup
-IC + CwDT too low, it prbly casts on every little hit and you have it on CD when big hits come in
-Missing Curse immunity
-Movement Speed mod on Flask could help moving quicker not stand in everything
-No infused Channeling in mainsetup

I hope you don't use vaal cyclone, that skill just begs for being killed :D

hope that helps

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Szynima wrote:

I'm honestly tired of the discussion. You can take whatever you want, I just give you an example build that gives utility and a rather smooth start into the league. There's many people that haven't complained at all about damage cause they literally 1shot every phase of Uber Elder, yet there's still ppl, barely reaching red maps asking for more damage. I don't get it and I won't bother understanding it.

I think you misunderstood me with my post.

I didnt want to complain or critics your build.

I simply wanted to ask whats the advantage of this path bcs it seems that 90% of the player at POE Ninja run it this way.

Maybe theres a hidden mechanic behind it? MAy the leech is OP even without the Ascendancy? ...I don't know bcs I'm not that great in this kind of theory crafting.

And I have not that much experiance with Crit builds....so no clue ifthis 8% Weapon Crit Node helps out in early game till we find a weapon with that high Crit + high AS.

Thats why I asked you who has more clue about this and I couldn't find any discussion regarding this point in this thread.

With my quetion I had the min/maxing aspect in mind not the one to blame you.

But ty for the answere, GoranH explained it prety well too....I will def go the leech way too bcs in POE its always DEF > DMG. ;)

Hey man! Do you mind taking a look if i've set up PoB right? https://pastebin.com/PxmbFBrh