[3.13] RECKONING (Counterattack) Gladiator Build. Let them kill themselves! UBER ~2 min! BOSSES AFK

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Optaka wrote:

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

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pr13st wrote:

"We've lowered the added physical damage on retaliation attacks, because of how high their damage output could be when used with Facebreakers. Their base damage has been increased to compensate."

Dedicated nerf, at least until we see the numbers.

Yeah, i need to see numbers indeed. It's a nerf for sure

I'm really hoping they didn't kill the build. Was going to league start this baby but we'll have to see how bad it is. Guess your shouldn't have posted the "no hands shaper kill" video ;)

Yeah i know they watch me, i do post a lot of stuff. So no wonder it was nerfed, but i doubt the build is killed. Will test it on a Hydra on standard as soon as patch hits

Remember though that blight monsters will not attack you so this build may not be the best for blight mechanic.

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pr13st wrote:

Remember though that blight monsters will not attack you so this build may not be the best for blight mechanic.

Afaik you need to place towers most of the time and defend Cassia as she performs the ritual to stop the invasion. So technically you need to avoid damage and just supress them.
And also they WILL attack you if you are close enough or crossing the line

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

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pr13st wrote:

Remember though that blight monsters will not attack you so this build may not be the best for blight mechanic.

Afaik you need to place towers most of the time and defend Cassia as she performs the ritual to stop the invasion. So technically you need to avoid damage and just supress them.
And also they WILL attack you if you are close enough or crossing the line

True, true. I remember someone from GGG saying that they will attack if you get in their way. Just wanting to point out that this build will depend on tower building as opposed to other builds where you deal zillion dps and clear without towers.

Just read in patch notes:

Reckoning
Now deals 115% of base damage at gem level 1 (from 91%), up to 175% at gem level 20 (from 140%).
Now has 2 to 3 added Attack Physical Damage at gem level 1 (from 6 to 10), up to 56 to 85 at gem level 20 (from 169 to 254).

Oh man that's a horror nerf the way I see it.

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True, true. I remember someone from GGG saying that they will attack if you get in their way. Just wanting to point out that this build will depend on tower building as opposed to other builds where you deal zillion dps and clear without towers.

Just read in patch notes:

Reckoning
Now deals 115% of base damage at gem level 1 (from 91%), up to 175% at gem level 20 (from 140%).
Now has 2 to 3 added Attack Physical Damage at gem level 1 (from 6 to 10), up to 56 to 85 at gem level 20 (from 169 to 254).

Oh man that's a horror nerf the way I see it.

Oh God does that mean it does like a third of the damage it used to? Reckoning is level 30 in the Surrender shield. Maybe at 30 it's still pretty high? Unfortunately it looks like 66% reduction down the board if it's reduced at level one and level 20.

Ouch

The base damage got higher though. Need to see the numbers in POB. Maybe can be used outside of Facebreaker now

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

The base damage got higher though. Need to see the numbers in POB. Maybe can be used outside of Facebreaker now

Did you get a chance to run the numbers yet? Or is that not possible until after Blight actually starts?

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P0WERB0TT0M wrote:

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

The base damage got higher though. Need to see the numbers in POB. Maybe can be used outside of Facebreaker now

Did you get a chance to run the numbers yet? Or is that not possible until after Blight actually starts?

No update in pob yet

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P0WERB0TT0M wrote:

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

The base damage got higher though. Need to see the numbers in POB. Maybe can be used outside of Facebreaker now

Did you get a chance to run the numbers yet? Or is that not possible until after Blight actually starts?

The numbers against the max level and max quality (20, +20%) was provided by GGG. I broke the formula down and it's pretty much what was stated earlier with approximately 66% reduction in overall damage from Reckoning.

So, he had ~2.5 million average damage (not DPS) through PoB. Without potions all active, it's only 1.5 million avg dmg. That's 1.5mil with damn near perfect gear in Standard (not Blight). As the drop was ~66%, let's apply that.

1,505,618 * 0.33 = 496,853

2.5mil (Start)
1.5mil (-Potions)
497k (after nerf)

That's still powerful, but no longer as overpowered as he is advertising it. It can trigger 3 times per second, assuming tons of incoming attacks, which can still bring the DPS up to around 1.49mil. Again, to be clear, THAT REQUIRES MULTIPLE HITS PER SECOND INCOMING.

So, there ya have it. Still viable with perfect gear, but not really overpowered anymore. </3

I need to correct something. The Duelist's Gladiator ascendency has a point named "Painforged". This doubles damage from counterattacks.

THIS DOES NOT REFLECT IN PATH OF BUILDING!

That being said, with perfect gear as he has shown, the damage would still be ~992k per Reckoning.



Apologies for the misinformation!