[3.10] Herald of Agony Mana Guardian | 2.5 Minute Sirus 8 | Deathless T19 100% Delirium

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1) Our biggest in-class competition, Baron Zombies got nerfed big time in both life and damage, we will have to run the final numbers but I am expecting 30% less health without the MORE modifier and 15% less damage. I think Herald of Agony, if untouched, will be the best Guardian build.

2) Skitterbot nerfed to 15% MORE damage, still the best possible choice for 25% mana reserved.

3) Spectre requires skill level 25 to get 4 for our build, level 21 skill gem, +3 shield, +1 wand gives us just that so no nerf there. Early on just run a golem.

4) They nerfed Fortify and Unshattered Will of Juggernaut big time so it is no longer possible to get nearly 100% damage reduction, hopefully this makes mana guardian the premium tank build, but of course that may also mean we are next in chopping block.

Stay tuned!

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hitmantb wrote:

3) Spectre nerfed from 4 to 3 for our build, as you will need level 25 to get the third Spectre. If they don't fix Skitterbot counting as minions for Onslaught bonus we will need to run golem to keep four minions.

You can reach 4 spectres if you have a lvl 21 gem + 3 from shield and +1 from wand

Hey there..Is it possible to start the hoag guardian as ssfhc?I know it wont be able to reach the power of the full build cause memory vault and jewel will be probably impossible to get,especially for casuals like me..But as far as survivability /initial strenght of Hoa gem i think it can be a solid starter..Whats your thoughts?

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rebex12 wrote:

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hitmantb wrote:

3) Spectre nerfed from 4 to 3 for our build, as you will need level 25 to get the third Spectre. If they don't fix Skitterbot counting as minions for Onslaught bonus we will need to run golem to keep four minions.

You can reach 4 spectres if you have a lvl 21 gem + 3 from shield and +1 from wand

The wand mod and getting a lvl 21 spec gem might take a minute and be harder in SSF, but it'll be easy enough to just run a golem until thats possible.

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rebex12 wrote:

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hitmantb wrote:

3) Spectre nerfed from 4 to 3 for our build, as you will need level 25 to get the third Spectre. If they don't fix Skitterbot counting as minions for Onslaught bonus we will need to run golem to keep four minions.

You can reach 4 spectres if you have a lvl 21 gem + 3 from shield and +1 from wand

Thanks a lot! Updated. So no nerf to us at all, other than a little bit of damage loss on skitter bot and frenzy support buff. I expect at most 5% damage loss.

Only question is whether this will still be a cheap build. Have to see Memory Vault and Shapers Touch prices with changes made to maps.

I have a feeling if there is no further nerf, this can become the undisputed top build as raider scourge arrow, juggernaut claw shield and baron zombies were our only real competitions in 3.8, and they all got nerfed.

I feel like the super luxury version of our build can contend for #1 build in the game. However that probably means a nerf in the league after haha.

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hitmantb wrote:

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rebex12 wrote:

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hitmantb wrote:

3) Spectre nerfed from 4 to 3 for our build, as you will need level 25 to get the third Spectre. If they don't fix Skitterbot counting as minions for Onslaught bonus we will need to run golem to keep four minions.

You can reach 4 spectres if you have a lvl 21 gem + 3 from shield and +1 from wand

Thanks a lot! Updated. So no nerf to us at all, other than a little bit of damage loss on skitter bot and frenzy support buff. I expect at most 5% damage loss.

Only question is whether this will still be a cheap build. Have to see Memory Vault and Shapers Touch prices with changes made to maps.

I have a feeling if there is no further nerf, this can become the undisputed top build as raider scourge arrow, juggernaut claw shield and baron zombies were our only real competitions in 3.8, and they all got nerfed.

I feel like the super luxury version of our build can contend for #1 build in the game. However that probably means a nerf in the league after haha.

Unsure about how easy it will get. I never managed to get a +1 to minion levels convoking wand last league, and they are nerfing the weighting this time to make it even more difficult.
That combined with end game changes might make this extremely expensive (for most players). I find a 10 ex watchers eye to be a stretch goal most of the time (which was the price of a single stat clarity), can't imagine the new cost of a mana -> es watcher now.

Watcher's eye is a luxury item tho, so the biggest point will be memory vault and shapers touch i guess. Hoping it won't be aweful. Won't know until a week or two i guess :D

Good afternoon..Is there a way we can keep virulence stacks up if we dont have the golder rule gem?I am planning of playing guardian so i dont know how early i can get my hands on the gem.Maybe use both ball lightning and storm brand linked both to poison/lesser poison?

I was looking to go with this build for a League starter but not so sure now as some of the items might be much rarer/more expensive this league. With the Elder Guardian changes Memory Vault's price might go through the roof. I've been trying to find out if Elder Guardians will only appear in T16 maps or will they still have yellow versions like before. I cannot find an answer though. It's hard to know how much rarer they will be.

Are there any viable alternatives we can use to get us through maps to collect some currency? I don't want to end up stuck in low level maps never being able to afford the build defining items.

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myshild wrote:

Unsure about how easy it will get. I never managed to get a +1 to minion levels convoking wand last league, and they are nerfing the weighting this time to make it even more difficult.

+1 Minion wand is fairly easy to get, even without buying alts in bulk. I started this season super late, with only 3 weeks left to play, and not only did I craft 6-7 of them(sold half before the league ended) I found another. And that was just with alts I found(no mass buying), and had even bulk sold some alts early on to get base gear.

Beyond that, theres also the devlvecraft way to attempt +2wands(caution, not 100%, not even 50%) which yields +1 minion or +1 spell wands very often.

Now, not being able to craft a +2 I understand. I took 6 stabs at it with prime resonators and didn't get one.. unlucky I guess. Seemed a lot easier to manage in path of crafting app.

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Dobster wrote:

I was looking to go with this build for a League starter but not so sure now as some of the items might be much rarer/more expensive this league. With the Elder Guardian changes Memory Vault's price might go through the roof. I've been trying to find out if Elder Guardians will only appear in T16 maps or will they still have yellow versions like before. I cannot find an answer though. It's hard to know how much rarer they will be.

Are there any viable alternatives we can use to get us through maps to collect some currency? I don't want to end up stuck in low level maps never being able to afford the build defining items.

Personally, I'm going to start the league with it, I had too much fun with it the short time I had this season(started late). I'm not going to be racing to 100, or even to try to have access to, or control, early red map and high ilvl base markets. Perhaps that's what you're looking into and thats why we differ?

We're still absurdly tanky compared to other builds even without those two items, and HoA still one-shot wave-clears everything on a tabula. I see no reason to be dissuaded. Can't wait!