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why do we use the Leadership's Price amulet, +2 to gems will give a huge increase in damage? just because of the increase in the maximum resistance?
Hello!
We were kind of bored in 3.16 so we started to theory craft for 3.17. A poster recommended we take a look at Leadership's Price for the build.
After many iterations in POB and some kindly testing from Brigetiol in standard, and stoudtlr in Scourge, we learned the following:
1) We can go full crit with 100% crit chance (the amulet gives us 100% crit chance via Brittle).
2) We can sustain RF while playing by using both Inquisitor and the amulet (via the higher Fire resistance we can get on the amulet. The other raised resistances would be bonus's but not required)
3) The amulet provides SAP. Via testing we can see that we can apply SAP to any target in the game instantly. This makes the target hit us for 20% "less" damage, which is a huge defensive layer (some what equivalent to the old Fortify at least for single target)
4) The amulet provides Scorched, which lowers the enemies elemental resistances, allowing for our DPS to increase significantly.
The downside of the amulet is balancing strength and int but we worked the tree such that it should be fairly easy to balance once you acquire the amulet.
For roughly the same price as the non crit Elementalist build we have been running the last few leagues, it looks like we can have better defense and higher DPS.
If you are interested in checking out a theory crafted POB, let me know.
I understood. Without the amulet, the righteous fire will kill us
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Posted bycts_Sc1sSorSon Jan 17, 2022, 3:19:38 PM
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one piece of info we don't yet have is how easy is it to apply the ailments if we are doing ~5m dps...We can see from Brigetiol's testing that once we get to high dps numbers it is easy but we should know about lower numbers as well.
Brigetiol, with out risking any deaths, is there any way you can lower your DPS and test the ailment application for us?
Finding a very fat but some what weak boss would be ideal...Maybe Drox?
Some easy ways to lower DPS would be not using damage flasks, turn off RF, go to 5 link Incinerate.....
I have a feeling you could easily do a T14ish with all three of those above not being used...
Started switching to crit in league. Far from optimized with only about 1mil DPS currently before scorched or brittle get applied, but I'm impressed. Tested on The Twisted and was able to reach max stacks for all three even though my Incinerate stacks kept resetting due to mana issues.
https://youtu.be/wc8MCdmmlPs
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Posted bystoudtlron Jan 17, 2022, 8:16:35 PM
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one piece of info we don't yet have is how easy is it to apply the ailments if we are doing ~5m dps...We can see from Brigetiol's testing that once we get to high dps numbers it is easy but we should know about lower numbers as well.
Brigetiol, with out risking any deaths, is there any way you can lower your DPS and test the ailment application for us?
Finding a very fat but some what weak boss would be ideal...Maybe Drox?
Some easy ways to lower DPS would be not using damage flasks, turn off RF, go to 5 link Incinerate.....
I have a feeling you could easily do a T14ish with all three of those above not being used...
Started switching to crit in league. Far from optimized with only about 1mil DPS currently before scorched or brittle get applied, but I'm impressed. Tested on The Twisted and was able to reach max stacks for all three even though my Incinerate stacks kept resetting due to mana issues.
https://youtu.be/wc8MCdmmlPs
Thank you! That was very promising.
When you clean up your mana, your dps will go way up as your incin kept resetting as you mentioned. That was actually very helpful that you had mana issues because it made it clear you could fairly quickly apply the ailments from a low dps start.
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Posted byAndyLovesHisBgeon Jan 17, 2022, 11:28:42 PM
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one piece of info we don't yet have is how easy is it to apply the ailments if we are doing ~5m dps...We can see from Brigetiol's testing that once we get to high dps numbers it is easy but we should know about lower numbers as well.
Brigetiol, with out risking any deaths, is there any way you can lower your DPS and test the ailment application for us?
Finding a very fat but some what weak boss would be ideal...Maybe Drox?
Some easy ways to lower DPS would be not using damage flasks, turn off RF, go to 5 link Incinerate.....
I have a feeling you could easily do a T14ish with all three of those above not being used...
no problemo, I'm on it!
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Posted byBrigetiolon Jan 18, 2022, 12:49:04 AM
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tested on the hunter, no rf, no flasks, no awa fire pen, 4-4,5M DPS with full conflux effect, 1,5M without conflux.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U3Tk37K1IMTgmoX5YDd2U1XvJhq8X7w4/view?usp=sharing
https://vimeo.com/667114491
edit: this is NOT VALID, rf was still on, even after removing gem Last edited by Brigetiol on Jan 18, 2022, 2:16:28 AM
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Posted byBrigetiolon Jan 18, 2022, 2:09:02 AM
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Lol, how the heck did RF stay active?
Last edited by AndyLovesHisBge on Jan 18, 2022, 3:01:15 AM
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Posted byAndyLovesHisBgeon Jan 18, 2022, 2:54:30 AM
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I see this on the wiki. Maybe you need to remove it and then let yourself drain to 1 hp in hideout...
I think though your test may have been valid after all since removing the gem removes the skill effects (which is the 'more damage')
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Stopping Righteous Fire: Righteous Fire will continue to drain the player's HP until there is only 1 HP left, at which point it will turn off. The effect can be ended prematurely by any effect which removes burning, such as flasks with the "dousing" suffix. Taking the gem out of its socket will remove the skill effect, but will not stop the degen effect.
Last edited by AndyLovesHisBge on Jan 18, 2022, 3:00:10 AM
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Posted byAndyLovesHisBgeon Jan 18, 2022, 2:58:06 AM
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Sooner or later I'll reach Sirus, and see how it works.
in the explanation of the coc build the guy mentioned, that if we have a skill with chance to deal double damage, like pressure points, that helps to increase the effect of confluxes, if base dps is not enough. just an idea.
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Posted byBrigetiolon Jan 18, 2022, 4:43:23 AM
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Andy,
we need to rework the gem setup. We forgot about the curse changes....hextouch doesn't work for applying hexes like the old curse on hit gem. Need to drop Assassin's Mark and go back to Flammability or apply it with a Assassin's Mark ring.
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Posted bystoudtlron Jan 18, 2022, 7:32:51 AM
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low dps test on Drox, no rf, no flasks, no fire pen gem
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CpgSMJU1veLd7AT272B23ZOJ7jbpY_Tm/view?usp=sharing
after 1 or 2 seconds full conflux effect |
Posted byBrigetiolon Jan 18, 2022, 8:06:06 AM
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