Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

bye poe :)

How many negative comments are needed in order to pay attention to this problem ...

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Tenzarin_MyNameWasTaken wrote:

I don't see the need for harvest WHATSOEVER.

There is NO POINT to give the player everything in the beginning. We need to stop pandering to this new type of player mentality; "I want everything NOW, NOW, NOW."

NO! It needs to stop. The Devs have a great thing going with this game by MAKING PEOPLE WORK FOR IT. The gaming laziness is a new mentality that I personally find disgusting and repulsive. Why should you get Mirror Items??? Why shouldn't you go and work for the like everyone else. Enough already with the "Special Snowflake Syndrome..."

FINALLY a really good game comes out and all of these leaches creap out from under their rocks and holes wanting the devs to make the game into another D3 - Enough is enough already and we need to take a stand against this nonsense.

I don't think Duke Amiel du H'ardcore could find a better comment.

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Sinaranu wrote:

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Jun-20
Harvest League launched

Jul-20
“We’re getting so much interesting information that will help us both pitch the power of rewards systems in the future and also understand where we should be with crafting in PoE2”

Aug-20
Harvest will not be integrated with the core game

Nov-20
"Harvest will become core as part of 3.13 but in a slightly different form."

Jan-21
“Harvest has been added to the core game and has been vastly reworked”

Mar-21
“We feel that the current state of Harvest Crafting runs against both of these important philosophies.”

Regardless of where one sits on the debate on Harvest crafting, the timing & sequence of events leading to this massive U-turn (from Jan-21 to Mar-21) really does beggar belief.

If Harvest crafting is so absolutely antithetical to GGG's philosophies, why was it launched in its current form just 2 months ago?

On the premise that GGG makes rational, deliberate, fact-based decisions, perhaps it was always GGG’s intention to nerf Harvest as announced in this manifesto. Perhaps 3.13 Harvest was launched as-is because it “helps the league be compelling”, particularly after last year's delay.

Whatever the reason, and again leaving aside any view on the Harvest crafting mechanic per se, the way GGG has gone about this is an extraordinarily poor way to handle the PoE community. To say nothing of how it has been communicated to-date.

Really disappointing. Not the GGG I once admired.

This makes more and more sense now.

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Tenzarin_MyNameWasTaken wrote:

I don't see the need for harvest WHATSOEVER.

There is NO POINT to give the player everything in the beginning. We need to stop pandering to this new type of player mentality; "I want everything NOW, NOW, NOW."

NO! It needs to stop. The Devs have a great thing going with this game by MAKING PEOPLE WORK FOR IT. The gaming laziness is a new mentality that I personally find disgusting and repulsive. Why should you get Mirror Items??? Why shouldn't you go and work for the like everyone else. Enough already with the "Special Snowflake Syndrome..."

FINALLY a really good game comes out and all of these leaches creap out from under their rocks and holes wanting the devs to make the game into another D3 - Enough is enough already and we need to take a stand against this nonsense.

You're using Maurader with nodes that makes your class extremely item independent. You have a chest with bench multicraft and use HH. I mean you might have an entirely different perspective on the matter because your build is exceptional with fewer mods. Its not that any which way is better, but that Harvest frees up player choice to diversify builds.

Furthermore, as many other have coherently pointed out throughout the thread. Having harvest in the game doesn't just automatically give you mirror tier items. You have to typically spend at least a mirror or more to craft a mirror tier item. Harvest crafting really is a late game activity where you can spend the remainder of your hundreds of exalts late game without Slamming them.

If there's a mechanic in the game that you don't care for, why don't you just ignore it? I don't see how my gameplay, or anyone else's effects your journey. This game is largely solo player and you're mainly clearing content on your own.

sigh this killed my joy so time to skip the next league , and at same time u also skip my 60 bucks i saved for next support pack

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Tenzarin_MyNameWasTaken wrote:

I don't see the need for harvest WHATSOEVER.

There is NO POINT to give the player everything in the beginning. We need to stop pandering to this new type of player mentality; "I want everything NOW, NOW, NOW."

NO! It needs to stop. The Devs have a great thing going with this game by MAKING PEOPLE WORK FOR IT. The gaming laziness is a new mentality that I personally find disgusting and repulsive. Why should you get Mirror Items??? Why shouldn't you go and work for the like everyone else. Enough already with the "Special Snowflake Syndrome..."

FINALLY a really good game comes out and all of these leaches creap out from under their rocks and holes wanting the devs to make the game into another D3 - Enough is enough already and we need to take a stand against this nonsense.

PoE launched 8 years ago and I do not see a single mirror item in your league character. Guess it's too easy?

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Tenzarin_MyNameWasTaken wrote:

I don't see the need for harvest WHATSOEVER.

There is NO POINT to give the player everything in the beginning. We need to stop pandering to this new type of player mentality; "I want everything NOW, NOW, NOW."

NO! It needs to stop. The Devs have a great thing going with this game by MAKING PEOPLE WORK FOR IT. The gaming laziness is a new mentality that I personally find disgusting and repulsive. Why should you get Mirror Items??? Why shouldn't you go and work for the like everyone else. Enough already with the "Special Snowflake Syndrome..."

FINALLY a really good game comes out and all of these leaches creap out from under their rocks and holes wanting the devs to make the game into another D3 - Enough is enough already and we need to take a stand against this nonsense.

I'm not a new player, in fact i'm a closed beta player...

Harvest is the only craft system i see in the game and is far from being deterministic with its 5 layers of RNG

Making a good item needs time even with harvest, other systems are just GAMBLING !!

Path of Exile has some good systems to hook the player for a long time, but only if in the end the player is able to do part of the end game.

It took me 300h to get to t9 maps with an off meta build.
It took me 2 month playing 5 hours a day again also 300h to get from t9 to T16 because i could double my dps with some harvest crafts and far from being good items with mods between T2 and T8...

Beating Sirus / Maven will need me to make / enhance my build to at least 2M DPS. I will not gamble to achieve that...

What you say just make no sense to me...

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smokedust wrote:

Around 1 year ago GGG started to show some blizzard like behavior, but I was in denial, because this could not happen to the the company behind the greatest diablo like game since, well since diablo 2. But seeing almost 450 pages on this thread with 0 reactions from GGG is hard to ignore, an remain in denial. Started to get some flashbacks since the release of D3 and the way blizz "interacted" with the community, and how connected blizz was with the community. Hope I'm wrong but I'm getting this strong feeling of deja vu.

Edit: By this point the reaction doesn't even matter for me anymore as long as there will be one. Just pick a side and communicate it to the community. At this point I'm sure the aftermath can't be worse than having no reaction at all.

The signs have been there for years bud, for me around 2016

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Tenzarin_MyNameWasTaken wrote:

There is NO POINT to give the player everything in the beginning. We need to stop pandering to this new type of player mentality; "I want everything NOW, NOW, NOW."

Your mentality is awfull too.

A lot of players have a... job, for example. They don't want a second job. This is game. Game must be fun at the first place.

Most of criticism to harvest nerf comes from the fact, that PoE has no crafting system before harvest. Even now, with harvest, it's still affected by gambling a lot, but this more likely can be called a 'craft'.

But more important thing: GGG even can't figure why exactly we have 440+ pages in that thread.