Ultimatum Statistics

Also that many people abandoning ultimatum only means something isn't right.

IMO later rewards should be increasingly better. Some people would just abandon ultimatum if they find a good item on wave 4, but increasingly better rewards would attract more players to keep going.

And of course, Trialmaster absurd rare spawn with small window for learning mechanics because of his ridiculous spawn rate, stacking mechanics from ultimatum and death meaning end of fight.

Yes, but how many rituals were simply ignored because the mechanic is just a great big PITA?

I don't know if anyone else did the math already, but with the data given here this means the chance of generating a Mirror as a reward is about:

0.0000008940884063246263%

I don't know how this compares to the actual drop rate of a Mirror, but I assume this is higher. Still, a less than one in a million chance is...pretty low.

Some of these statistics are completely useless.

Lets take the first one as an example. ​With the mechanic of this, it means that each wave eliminates some people. So, lets look at just the 78+

50,930,619 started

Wave 1: Completion Rate: 96.77% Players Left: 49,285,560
Wave 2: Completion Rate: 98.20% Players Left: 48,398,420
Wave 3: Completion Rate: 97.95% Players Left: 47,406,252
Wave 4: Completion Rate: 97.38% Players Left: 46,164,208
Wave 5: Completion Rate: 97.17% Players Left: 44,857,761
Wave 6: Completion Rate: 96.60% Players Left: 43,332,597
Wave 7: Completion Rate: 95.90% Players Left: 41,555,961
Wave 8: Completion Rate: 95.25% Players Left: 39,581,053
Wave 9: Completion Rate: 94.32% Players Left: 37,332,849

Now, they have a % of Trialmaster encounters not started due to either rewards taken or died, that being 64.39%. This means that the most amount of players who could be in Wave 10 would be 24,038,621. After that, we have the statistic of how many people completed Wave 10, that being 60.35%. This means that the maximum number of players who completed Trialmaster would be 14,507,308.

That still seems like a lot. And it is, because it's the maximum. Depending on where people drop out for whatever reason drastically changes the number. It could be as low as 1 mil or 100K. For example, if 20% leave after wave 1, then 10% wave 2, then 6% after wave 3, etc, there's no telling what the final number is. So... What the fuck is the point of all these statistic when it really isn't telling us one of the important things: How many people actually encountered the Trialmaster and how many killed him?

Now, let's take a look at the percentage of Trialmaster encounters that were generated but were never started. Buckle up, this one is shockingly high.

YEP no wonder most on my friend list after 36 challanges quit the league.
Should spawn in 50 map's my a*s thats such a lie. went 150+ maps with out skipping even stone circles that take 4-6min to finish.

I fall into the 64.39% who never start ultimatums. It's annoying when you get zergling rushed with 20 thumpy guys as well as those seemingly "never miss" archers that all hit you at the same time, not giving you a chance to hit your flasks, recover, use a guard skill, dodge, etc.

Ultimatums are extremely frustrating, and I have had many alt + f4 ragequit moments during this league.

Since the last patch I've seen around 8 trial masters from 98-99 from about 14 total with 3 failed I do them in tier 14+ and in my experience just win every round if you want to see the boss simple as that.

Most of the time I get crappy loot rewards when its wave 10 mostly stuff like winged scarab, 1 exalt or shards, the helm, the mace no high end div cards / Gloves feels lack luster tbh.

The boss fight itself only lasts a minute or so on a good build

results could be different for others

still pretty fun league

Any chance you could increase the drop rate on Inscribed Ultimatums even have them drop from running the Ultimatums see 1 in 20-30 maps which feels really low

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SandeR87A wrote:

And who cares this in the End ?

The current problem with the Trialmaster ist still present.
Doesn't matter what your Statistic says...

MAYBE YOU GUYS GET RID OF A SYSTEM TO ENCOUNTER A NEW LEAGUEBOSS LIKE THAT IN TOTAL NEXT TIME ?

Alone the Mechanic itself is so unacceptable that your Statistic showcase here brings nothing in the End beside Frustration and more Madness.


GGG i would consider next Time you Guys FINALLY STOP WITH LEAGUEMECHANICS THAT ARE PURE RNG BASED!


Just STOP with thing like that.
How hard can that be ? I know for your Guys RNG is everything even in Challenges.... BUT PLAYERS DONT LIKE IT STOP IT REALLY!


ITS POINTLESS AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO IN BOSS ENCOUNTERS!

I feel you bro :)

So, out of all millions of ultimatums only 200 mirrors and 400 hh's were generated? Verrry nice, I hope you enjoy playing your casino without chances to win ggg... Really, what the hell you expected with such statistics? I've quit the league already, but it still pisses me off...

Also, ultimatum is just bad and boring league, focus on work with 3.15, ultimatum is done, forget about it...

And finally - WE DONT LIKE GAMBLING, NOT AT ALL

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ViCoach wrote:

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Xzorn wrote:

Statistical Avg says you should see the Trialmaster 1 in every 50 completes. They said it themselves but then they hid behind this completion rate number to fudge up the numbers.

It is 1/50 in fact on t14+ maps as you can see if you check at my post. The problem behind this rage with the trialmaster is that peoples doesnt listen to how it spawns, check stats that they dont understand, and start crying. Maybe 1/50 is too low, maybe Trialmaster should spawn in lower tier maps. But the 1/50 is working well.

Btw i wonder why all the QQing guys are cutting the "* Trialmaster boss fight rate depends on map level, which Mapwatch cannot track." on their screens. This information may be important, isn't it? Or maybe you guys are doing it on purpose, mh.

There's a few issues with using such a low chance spawn like I mentioned in an earlier post.

Based on their chance roughly 5% of players were getting 1 in 150 maps and 1% were getting 1 in 250 maps at 100% completion. My pool isn't large enough to really depend on but I feel the issues here are that 2% was only the upper maps and there's deviation within the mean.

Somewhere players could have gotten 1 in 25 maps and others 1 in 150 maps. I personally understood how it worked. I just didn't feel like doing a Ritual league again, better IMO but little difference. The map grind is becoming increasingly tedious and this didn't spice it up much.

So I killed the boss and I'm kinda done. If they wanted this to go better they should have introduced some type of shard-like currency they've done plenty of other times to lower deviation.

I thought we were done with pure chance league content around Abyss / Bestiary.