[Phrecia] The dirty Scorpion-Tail|Herald of Agony-Cyclone-Necro|Arachnophobia Allstars 640M to 4B

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ericchongws#1140 wrote:

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szybciorek1144#0536 wrote:

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Before you commit to this build, I highly suggest you thoroughly go through the skill gems section on pob. IMO, there's a lot of micromanaging to achieve optimal dps.

1) Constant cycloning around to achieve max virulence stack, though BL does help a bit with maintaining the stacks

2) Manual casting curses

3) Wither is completely reliant on withering step which is not 100% uptime and not max stacks.

1) BL Ball lightning of orbiting / of static is the decisive skill for virulences, not cyclone.
Cyclone is used only as cwc trigger and is much too slow for higher virulences.


Yes, i.e. in the 4B pob some minor adjustements will be done and optimized soon:

2) An unset shaper-ring frees up one skillslot for one more trigger like arcanist brand.

Or for bossing convocation is not needed and can be switched out.

(Witchfire brew would do almost the same result, enabling to push out despair.)

14 ways more to free up skillsockets to enable more trigger are shown in the spoiler "checklists stats" ==>> "skillmanager | socketmaster".


3) No, the Allstars overstack 3 - 5 sources of withers.
Take a look at "the HoA step by step", section withers.
I.e. solely Sin's Rebirth Unholy might generates full 15 withers.

Switching out reasonable the squishy chaos golem of maelstrom, the third source of withers, overstacked and not needed, would free up a second free trigger like a second Arcanist brand or Automation too.

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szybciorek1144#0536 wrote:

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Chromino#4813 wrote:

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szybciorek1144#0536 wrote:

Im little confused bcs guide is REALLY BIG and little bit chaotic (? but I feel your passion for skill there, its massive :D).

We re talking about 180M - 180 milion dps or 2B - 2 bilion dps? I didnt checked pob but I dont see this dps in any of videos. I mean I have 80 mln pbrand and since the dmg is instant I kill bosses faster so Im confused with numbers, but anyway good job with Herald of Agony. Kinda forgotten but legendary skill.

Any recommendation of ascendancy for 2000+ delving? Necro is tankier but panthfinder have higher recovery? I think at deepth 2000+ we need more sources of anti phys dmg hits or smth tbh?

And this guy who post AUL 600 deepth video, he didnt carry 4 ppl, they are farming another maps? Its just solo AUl and for multi mirror build dmg is kinda terrible? But hes stacking only 30 viru so thats probably why : O

Billions. See pob.

The Lycia-bloodlines do the scalings
I guess penance brands or i.e. also the new herald-stackers connot compete with HoA, sorry.



750 millions

Low budget around 750 millions are reached. Total budget around 100-120 divs are needed in 3.27 (I correct the related spoiler later), no mageblood, darkness enthroned-belt and cheap ashes amulet are used.



1 billion

Then further the HoA is capable of 1 billion with cheap #5p-voices with a 2-flasks mageblood.


1.5 billion

With mageblood around one billion to 1.5 billions are stinged by HoA, still top tanky.

For 1.5 billions #3p-voices and +8 amulet are needed.


2 - 4 billions

In ultra-high budget 2 to 4 billions are reached - but that pob is not recommended for mapping, more for scaling dd-glascannons in groupplay or for ubers-oneshotting.


Adams above specialized in a 1 button-playstyle and invested the currency #1-passive-voices.

For scaling HoA-crits above 500 millions #5-passives-voices are more than enough. Also #7-passives-voices would work too.

But above 250 millions the build needs pressing 3 buttons ingame for arcanists brands / spirit offering, despair and spirit offering for the bigger HoA-crits.

And HoA is not instant full dps:
There is a short delay for the HoA-raising animation when bosses awakenes.
Around 0.3 sec are counted until 98 virulences are procced.
HoA's ats is 4-5/sec, so also not 100% instant.
Only 9-12 withers are instant up with withering step, the full 15 need 0.1 sec longer with sin's rebirth and chaos golem.
In maps the 98-113 virulences are always almost nonstop up.



New 3.27 videos follow later.



M - millions
B - billions

Sorry, I am not a native speaker.
How do I better shorten the numbers?

Everything fine, I think everyone understand M for milions and B for bilions. I just couldnt understand it. I mean even if u need 15 sec for ramp up with 1 bilion dmg you should almost one shot boss with next HoA auto attack. Even if we calculated dmg with attack speed so 1 Bilion dmg in X value amout of time, then one HoA auto attack must have REALLY high value too. and for 1 bilion or more you should kill uber uber bosses rly fast, smth like multi mirror int/acc stacker jugg (currently top 1 dps in game probably). Thats why Im supprised with these numbers bcs I dont see any video with that HIGH dps, BUT I think its just my wrong observation.

I have quesiton, what ascendancy and version can you recommend for me to farm valdo maps (feared, 100% deli feared, ghosted feared, non void maps) and deep delve? Necro Crit?

Choice of ascendancy is a though decision.

I always recommend the tanky Trickster at first.
His tankyness against dot is also awesome for many valdos.

Delve instead I went until 1800 easy with Necro (and when I have time I will dig deeper. Other Arachnophobuiatics digged 2400, already in 3.22 etc ).
But Necro is more complex to level up and need experience balancing the recovery and flat dr. Her dps is much more in her higher gear levels, but ordinary the tanky stats are more fun in average poe-gameplay.

100% deli is no problem for all ascendancies when you build up HoA correct.

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Chromino#4813 wrote:

but also here I am still testing a lot like the consecrated ground-generator for the bitter heresy bloodline (I switched now to holy flame totem and zealotry-spectre instead former cwc-purifying flame because HoA-virulences were a bit slow ramped up against bosses). And my chaos-golem is until now too squishy in most t-17 content.

Any update on how this testing went? I agree that purifying flame is a little lack-luster. I played a little with bottled faith and it's not terrible but I don't want to give up any of my flasks so I ultimately went back to purifying flame.

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kaywalsk#0265 wrote:

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Chromino#4813 wrote:

but also here I am still testing a lot like the consecrated ground-generator for the bitter heresy bloodline (I switched now to holy flame totem and zealotry-spectre instead former cwc-purifying flame because HoA-virulences were a bit slow ramped up against bosses). And my chaos-golem is until now too squishy in most t-17 content.

Any update on how this testing went? I agree that purifying flame is a little lack-luster. I played a little with bottled faith and it's not terrible but I don't want to give up any of my flasks so I ultimately went back to purifying flame.

I myself combinate in the moment the Zealotry-spectre for some random consecrated ground and the Holy Flame Totem for bosses.

I improved in the 3.27-news page 122 the complete line-up for profane ground.

Use for profane ground 1-2 sources as trigger:

■ Holy Flame Totem
■ Cwc / Cwdt lvl 1 / Arcanist brand / Spell Totem + Purifying Flame of Revelation lvl 1 + X + X
■ Battlemage's Cry (2% HoA-crit-base) + Consecrated Path + X + X
■ Jewel Rational Doctrine: use Strength as highest attribute (with tattoos and clustertransfers), then interrupt your cycloning each 4 seconds a fracture of a second next to the boss and the HoA
■ Zealotry-spectre Perfect Pain Artist (+30% HoA-crit-damage)
■ Flask Bottled Faith

Here is a short new [3.27] HoA-necro-showcase, Uber-Neglect in 12 seconds:

https://youtu.be/K4MLQnNZ6Os




/ U-Neglect in 12 sec /

Outlook for the Phrecia-event

The Return of the Legacy of Phrecia-event is upcoming.

😋

By default only the aura "grace" and as result the keystone "ghost dance" are switched out. Instead an additional life- mastery and petrified blood are switched in.

Since the spectres were buffed a lot in qol last league, the fitting phrecia-pob was designed more tanky with spectre-auras compared to the former 3.25 Phrecia-HoA.

1) By default in cheapest gear around awesome 660 millions (up to 4 billions) are reached with Herald of Agony in around 615k ehp, low budget:

https://pobb.in/PtWfVtKT


2) A bit less max hit taken, but 1244M and 668 k ehp, high budget:

https://pobb.in/RGrUUKqD


Edited: The PoB is updated and optimized,
i.e. with +3 HoA-levels in the Phrecia-herald-points or alternative the lycia-bloodline bitter heresy included in pob (by now simulated in the pob-configurations), a better alternative ring, shavronne`s revelation, instead the no longer needed circle of nostalgia/ambition and shifting the mandatory chaos- / or physical damage-component to poison of our pure elemental skills ball-lightnings and tornadoes over to the helmet-implicit, a jewel or rare ring.

Both Bitter Heresy and Farewell to Flesh for the Bloodmagic-HoA will be covered when pob-community-fork is updated.

Energy to the pob-team!!






The Balancings in Legacy of Phrecia

All used auras can be easy and simply outsourced on the support-spectres (since 3.26).
The levelling will be the same as in all former leagues too.

By default only the aura "grace" and as result the keystone "ghost dance" are switched out. Instead an additional life- mastery and petrified blood are switched in.

In the phrecia-ascendancy is so much HoA-dps fast stacked, so when you need a bit more defense and recovery just balance into an additional recouping-mastery, into an additional life-, or es-mastery or into the forbidden flame and flesh hidden ascendancy "nine lives" or "bone barrier".


It's also easy to switch out the bloodline "bitter heresy". Then instead use the 2 ascendancy-passives instead for the +3 to HoA-levels in the "phrecia"-ascendancy.

This way you don't need the Zealotry-spectre for profane ground and use instead a spectre for grace (but not ghost dance because spectres are not 100% uptime in aura-aoe) or for HoA-frenzy-charges. The lost malediction can optional be placed on the AG's helmet.


Lycia-Bloodline Bitter Heresy? Or Herlad-Apokalypse +3 HoA-Lvl? The Choice.




Of course the Defiance of Destiny amulet or Progenesis are alternatively easy switched in beyond for further more recovery and tankyness.

And as always with by Mageblood buffed flasks a lot tankyness is gained.


2 issues

There will be probably 2 smaller issues approaching in lategame-content:

1) Only in t-16.5/t-17 ultimatums the spectres will die sometimes too often because they lack recovery for the damagepeaks. When you love to farm ultimatums balance in a few more defensive layers like shown in "checklists stats": --> "flat famagereductions | mitigation", "recovery", "life | es | ehp" and in "Level 100".
So overall Ultimatums will be in Phrecia not trivial afk like in ordinary poe-leagues, but with a bit more movement, spamming the life-flask of the necromancer, and a bit balancing it's quite good manageable also.


2) And against U-dot-bosses like U-Shaper or U-Maven perhaps balance out the skill "petrified blood", it lowers our life pool against their high dot until we used a life-flask.
Or with enough ailment-immunties simply balance in 2 passives "Lethe Shade" against U-Shaper and U-Maven, their dot is dangerous.

oh damn, ty man, i was curious if u will go herald for phrecia. leveling tree goes as normal necro with herald ascendacies right? ty

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Maagna#3983 wrote:

oh damn, ty man, i was curious if u will go herald for phrecia. leveling tree goes as normal necro with herald ascendacies right? ty

Yes, like shorter written in the pm, the Phrecia-event is not that much different to the ordinary HoA-ascendancies.

All used auras can be easy and simply outsourced on the support-spectres (since 3.26).
The levelling will be the same too.

By default only the aura "grace" and as result the keystone "ghost dance" are switched out. Instead an additional life- mastery and petrified blood are switched in.

In the phrecia-ascendancy is so much HoA-dps fast stacked, so when you need a bit more defense and recovery just balance into an additional recouping-mastery, into an additional life-, or es-mastery or into the forbidden flame and flesh hidden ascendancy "nine lives" or "bone barrier".


It's also easy to switch out the bloodline "bitter heresy". Then instead use the 2 ascendancy-passives instead for the +3 to HoA-levels in the "phrecia"-ascendancy.

This way you don't need the Zealotry-spectre for profane ground and use instead a spectre for grace (but not ghost dance because spectres are not 100% uptime in aura-aoe) or for HoA-frenzy-charges. The lost malediction can optional be placed on the AG's helmet.

Of course the Defiance of Destiny amulet or Progenesis are alternatively easy switched in beyond for further more recovery and tankyness.

And as always with by Mageblood buffed flasks a lot tankyness is gained.


There will be probably 2 smaller issues:


1) Only in t-16/t-17 ultimatums the spectres will die too often. When you love to farm ultimatums balance in a few more defensive layers like shown in "checklists stats": --> "flat famagereductions | mitigation", "recovery", "life | es | ehp" and in "Level 100".
So overall Ultimatums will be in Phrecia not trivial afk like in ordinary poe-leagues, but with a bit more movement and balancing quite good manageable also.


2) And against U-dot-bosses like U-Shaper or U-Maven perhaps balance out the skill "petrified blood", it lowers our life pool against their high dot until we used a life-flask.
Or with enough ailment-immunties simply balance in 2 passives "Lethe Shade" against U-Shaper and U-Maven, their dot is dangerous.

Was just going to possibly suggest minion leveling for phrecia event minion leveling is really op in this 3.27 patch with minions no longer using accuracy. You could easily respec your tree into a herald build later on once you got your ascendacy stuff.

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Chromino#4813 wrote:

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Maagna#3983 wrote:

oh damn, ty man, i was curious if u will go herald for phrecia. leveling tree goes as normal necro with herald ascendacies right? ty

Yes, like shorter written in the pm, the Phrecia-event is not that much different to the ordinary HoA-ascendancies.

All used auras can be easy and simply outsourced on the support-spectres (since 3.26).
The levelling will be the same too.

By default only the aura "grace" and as result the keystone "ghost dance" are switched out. Instead an additional life- mastery and petrified blood are switched in.

In the phrecia-ascendancy is so much HoA-dps fast stacked, so when you need a bit more defense and recovery just balance into an additional recouping-mastery, into an additional life-, or es-mastery or into the forbidden flame and flesh hidden ascendancy "nine lives" or "bone barrier".


It's also easy to switch out the bloodline "bitter heresy". Then instead use the 2 ascendancy-passives instead for the +3 to HoA-levels in the "phrecia"-ascendancy.

This way you don't need the Zealotry-spectre for profane ground and use instead a spectre for grace (but not ghost dance because spectres are not 100% uptime in aura-aoe) or for HoA-frenzy-charges. The lost malediction can optional be placed on the AG's helmet.

Of course the Defiance of Destiny amulet or Progenesis are alternatively easy switched in beyond for further more recovery and tankyness.

And as always with by Mageblood buffed flasks a lot tankyness is gained.


There will be probably 2 smaller issues:


1) Only in t-16/t-17 ultimatums the spectres will die too often. When you love to farm ultimatums balance in a few more defensive layers like shown in "checklists stats": --> "flat famagereductions | mitigation", "recovery", "life | es | ehp" and in "Level 100".
So overall Ultimatums will be in Phrecia not trivial afk like in ordinary poe-leagues, but with a bit more movement and balancing quite good manageable also.


2) And against U-dot-bosses like U-Shaper or U-Maven perhaps balance out the skill "petrified blood", it lowers our life pool against their high dot until we used a life-flask.
Or with enough ailment-immunties simply balance in 2 passives "Lethe Shade" against U-Shaper and U-Maven, their dot is dangerous.

as usual, big thanks man, ty for the pm too, and as usual, insanely detailed and helpful.