you literally just admitted that tft makes the game easier and some people arent able to use it isnt that almost the same thing as a cheat?
no
having helpful friends who are good at the game makes the game easier. some people dont have friends. is having friends therefor cheating?
its a multiplayer game with trading.
that statement says it all. belton is out there spending more per day on crafting than every item equipped on every character you have combined and he has no access to the discord in question.
what he has = a guild, friends, knowledge.
have you considered that tft was created by players? if you craft something and then sell it then thats something you have done in game and an interaction you have generated in order to get ahead, you made something that didnt exist and then you traded it for something you valued even more. what happens if you start a guild with a friend and the pair of you do stuff together? no one else is entitled to join your guild or take part in your activities or buy the items you craft or share the knowledge you have. thats yours and you are allowed to leverage it for advantage.
the people who made that discord had the game, their social skills, their game knowledge and they did something with it. you could have made that discord. you could go make a competing discord, or use a different platform.
people do stuff all the time, work things out, make friends, develop strats, offer services. if you work out a way to craft boots better than anyone else and you dominate that market should ggg come in and shut you down because im upset that i cant sell my boot crafts? if your guild has a better farm rotation than mine, should your guild be banned because im not allowed in your guild and i demand to be part of the best farm rotation?
theres so many guilds you could join that would boost you so far beyond your current level, theres insane guild where everyone in the guild is making mirrors every league. they dont have to let you in, they dont have to tell you how they do what they do or let you part with them. you can never be as efficient as those players unless you join one of those high level guilds, they are "mandatory" if you want to play the game at that level. does that mean they should be forced to let you join because you feel like u should be entitled to be playing at the highest levels?
its a multiplayer game with trading. people are making moves. some of those people are out of your league, by miles. its not gggs job to hobble everyone else and destroy the things they build until you rise to the top. youre not there because these other people were just better at this stuff than you. they played the variables better than you did. you could own tft right now, that could have been you, it could have been me.
but it wasnt. someone else had the idea. youre not jen, not belton, youre not steelmage or acapella... theres literally 10,000s of players in a more advantageous position than you. you had the same opportunity they had, you could have built those empires but you didnt. neither did i btw, thats not a dig at you, its just a fact and its just a game, it doesnt actually matter.
you literally just admitted that tft makes the game easier and some people arent able to use it isnt that almost the same thing as a cheat?
no
having helpful friends who are good at the game makes the game easier. some people dont have friends. is having friends therefor cheating?
its a multiplayer game with trading.
that statement says it all. belton is out there spending more per day on crafting than every item equipped on every character you have combined and he has no access to the discord in question.
what he has = a guild, friends, knowledge.
have you considered that tft was created by players? if you craft something and then sell it then thats something you have done in game and an interaction you have generated in order to get ahead, you made something that didnt exist and then you traded it for something you valued even more. what happens if you start a guild with a friend and the pair of you do stuff together? no one else is entitled to join your guild or take part in your activities or buy the items you craft or share the knowledge you have. thats yours and you are allowed to leverage it for advantage.
the people who made that discord had the game, their social skills, their game knowledge and they did something with it. you could have made that discord. you could go make a competing discord, or use a different platform.
people do stuff all the time, work things out, make friends, develop strats, offer services. if you work out a way to craft boots better than anyone else and you dominate that market should ggg come in and shut you down because im upset that i cant sell my boot crafts? if your guild has a better farm rotation than mine, should your guild be banned because im not allowed in your guild and i demand to be part of the best farm rotation?
theres so many guilds you could join that would boost you so far beyond your current level, theres insane guild where everyone in the guild is making mirrors every league. they dont have to let you in, they dont have to tell you how they do what they do or let you part with them. you can never be as efficient as those players unless you join one of those high level guilds, they are "mandatory" if you want to play the game at that level. does that mean they should be forced to let you join because you feel like u should be entitled to be playing at the highest levels?
its a multiplayer game with trading. people are making moves. some of those people are out of your league, by miles. its not gggs job to hobble everyone else and destroy the things they build until you rise to the top. youre not there because these other people were just better at this stuff than you. they played the variables better than you did. you could own tft right now, that could have been you, it could have been me.
but it wasnt. someone else had the idea. youre not jen, not belton, youre not steelmage or acapella... theres literally 10,000s of players in a more advantageous position than you. you had the same opportunity they had, you could have built those empires but you didnt. neither did i btw, thats not a dig at you, its just a fact and its just a game, it doesnt actually matter.
its just a game why not make QOL trade in poe that would gut unchecked power 3rd party apps.... literally every argument you made is nonsense and has no value sorry. AGAIN almost everything you said isnt Moderated by 3rd party lets say i want to make a guild and make friends to join whats stopping me? NOT a power trip mod that doesnt like my PFP or NOT a full ticket system that i have no control over.... you have no clue what you are even arguing and its sad... i know its hard to let go of that rep you farmed but use your brain please lil bro ALSO Your logic with belton is so far from reality you think the only way you should be able to play the end game is to craft and you have to make a guild that shits out money for you LMFAO you are so delusional it hurts even replying to you
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Unlike you, I can use TFT if I want to, and occasionally do, but I don't feel like it's necessary, nor do I feel I wouldn't be able to play without it, hence I don't think GGG needs to implement something similar in-game. I'm not sure they would even want to.
Unless I missed it amongst all your ramblings, why can't you use TFT if you feel their services are so important to your continued enjoyment of the game?
But why not just implement better QOL trade into the game instead of outsourcing to unchecked 3rd party power? Your whole argument is you dont think GGG needs to implement better QOL trading into game...... you know how dumb that sounds. I dont think GGG should make server space for you to play the game because i dont need you in order to play the game XD literally your logic behind your whole argument
What are you even talking about? Just because I don't agree with you, it doesn't mean I'm against better trading, nor did I say I was against GGG implementing more QOL for trading. With leaps of logic like that and who knows what you're talking about with server space, maybe you could reconsider who you're saying sounds dumb?
I'm also not trying to have a serious debate with you, I was merely replying since you quoted me. I'm saying I don't agree with you, I'm not trying to convince you otherwise.
AHAHAAHAHA ok lilbro go away you have nothing of value to say other than ME THINK YOUR WRONG without any sound reasoning behind it.....bye "I don't feel like it's necessary, nor do I feel I wouldn't be able to play without it, hence I don't think GGG needs to implement something similar in-game." do you even read what you type yourself?
I also never said you were wrong either, but yet again, you're making more assumptions. Why would I even want to try to convince you that you're wrong?
I'm merely offering a different viewpoint. I'm not sure why you seem to be taking issue with my words and making up all kinds of things based off your assumptions.
My only point of slight contention in this thread is in regards to how necessary or mandatory some are making out a service like TFT is to POE and using that to base their demands for a better trading experience. I've stated that it's useful and helpful in some aspects, but in my opinion, that alone doesn't make it mandatory.
As far as GGG implementing what you're asking for, would it not be wise to consider how they have approached trade so far? They have always been adamant that they don't want it to be too easy, that there must be friction. Are they really going to suddenly change their minds because some don't like it and keep whining about it over again and again?
And how about the trade disputes that would surely arise over such services? GGG have always had a hands-off approach to trade disputes relating to scams and such, are they likely to change course and divert resources to policing such services? Resources that could be used for more important matters as well.
But go ahead and stomp your feet all you want, some people will still disagree with you. And to be clear, just because someone is not in agreement with you, it doesn't mean they want to convince you that you're wrong and they're right. Such silly disputes are just not that important for some people.
I also never said you were wrong either, but yet again, you're making more assumptions. Why would I even want to try to convince you that you're wrong?
I'm merely offering a different viewpoint. I'm not sure why you seem to be taking issue with my words and making up all kinds of things based off your assumptions.
My only point of slight contention in this thread is in regards to how necessary or mandatory some are making out a service like TFT is to POE and using that to base their demands for a better trading experience. I've stated that it's useful and helpful in some aspects, but in my opinion, that alone doesn't make it mandatory.
As far as GGG implementing what you're asking for, would it not be wise to consider how they have approached trade so far? They have always been adamant that they don't want it to be too easy, that there must be friction. Are they really going to suddenly change their minds because some don't like it and keep whining about it over again and again?
And how about the trade disputes that would surely arise over such services? GGG have always had a hands-off approach to trade disputes relating to scams and such, are they likely to change course and divert resources to policing such services? Resources that could be used for more important matters as well.
But go ahead and stomp your feet all you want, some people will still disagree with you. And to be clear, just because someone is not in agreement with you, it doesn't mean they want to convince you that you're wrong and they're right. Such silly disputes are just not that important for some people.
ohh really you know a way to sell all my essences in 5 minutes in one trade without tft? Do you use a item filter i wonder why even tho its not MANDATORY?What if i dont want to run lab 500 times to get helm enchant you know how i can go about that without tft......
I also never said you were wrong either, but yet again, you're making more assumptions. Why would I even want to try to convince you that you're wrong?
I'm merely offering a different viewpoint. I'm not sure why you seem to be taking issue with my words and making up all kinds of things based off your assumptions.
My only point of slight contention in this thread is in regards to how necessary or mandatory some are making out a service like TFT is to POE and using that to base their demands for a better trading experience. I've stated that it's useful and helpful in some aspects, but in my opinion, that alone doesn't make it mandatory.
As far as GGG implementing what you're asking for, would it not be wise to consider how they have approached trade so far? They have always been adamant that they don't want it to be too easy, that there must be friction. Are they really going to suddenly change their minds because some don't like it and keep whining about it over again and again?
And how about the trade disputes that would surely arise over such services? GGG have always had a hands-off approach to trade disputes relating to scams and such, are they likely to change course and divert resources to policing such services? Resources that could be used for more important matters as well.
But go ahead and stomp your feet all you want, some people will still disagree with you. And to be clear, just because someone is not in agreement with you, it doesn't mean they want to convince you that you're wrong and they're right. Such silly disputes are just not that important for some people.
ohh really you know a way to sell all my essences in 5 minutes in one trade without tft? Do you use a item filter i wonder why even tho its not MANDATORY?What if i dont want to run lab 500 times to get helm enchant you know how i can go about that without tft......
I'm not sure what you just wrote has to do with what you quoted. [Removed by Support]
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1. Selling essence tabs
Some streamers have discord communities where people buy and sell stash tabs.
If you know flippers, you can contact them in-game or by other means and they might be willing to buy them.
You could also upgrade them all to shrieking, convert them via harvest crafting to the most in-demand ones and try selling them in-game at a slight to substantial discount.
Can't guarantee it will take 5 minutes this late in the league, but then again I'm not really concerned as I'm not as seemingly impatient, nor all that mindful of being efficient as you are.
While being able to do this might seem mandatory to you, it surely isn't for everyone.
2. Item filters
Yes, I use an item filter. They are quite useful, and you are right, they are not mandatory. Would someone only use something because it's mandatory? I also previously said I occasionally use TFT.
If, for some reason, I wasn't able to use filterblade to modify the filters Neversink supplies and updates, I would make my own as the documentation exists.
I'll admit, I'm really not sure where you were going with this one.
3. Lab services
I've never used lab services, so this one is out of my wheelhouse, but I'll still give it a shot.
Some lab runners stream on Twitch, you could surely ask them via that platform.
You could also use chat to ask if anyone can recommend a trusted lab runner, and if you can get a positive response, contact them in-game. This might be risky, so I wouldn't necessarily try to get a mirror tier helm enchanted this way, but a base that you'll craft yourself might be worth the risk.
Other options exist as well. You can buy a good assortment of uniques with a good selection of enchantments. Same for rare helmets, a good variety of crafted ones can be bought, or if you want to craft something specific, bases with enchants are on offer as well. Sure, what you want might not be available right when you want it, but have some patience and put it on a livesearch. It's not like you wouldn't be waiting for an indeterminate amount of time for the lab enchant service to be done.
While getting the right enchantment on a helm is great and desirable, in most case it only offers a slight benefit. By no means is a build not functional without it, so just getting a helm enchant is not mandatory, let alone using TFT to get one.
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I also never said you were wrong either, but yet again, you're making more assumptions. Why would I even want to try to convince you that you're wrong?
I'm merely offering a different viewpoint. I'm not sure why you seem to be taking issue with my words and making up all kinds of things based off your assumptions.
My only point of slight contention in this thread is in regards to how necessary or mandatory some are making out a service like TFT is to POE and using that to base their demands for a better trading experience. I've stated that it's useful and helpful in some aspects, but in my opinion, that alone doesn't make it mandatory.
As far as GGG implementing what you're asking for, would it not be wise to consider how they have approached trade so far? They have always been adamant that they don't want it to be too easy, that there must be friction. Are they really going to suddenly change their minds because some don't like it and keep whining about it over again and again?
And how about the trade disputes that would surely arise over such services? GGG have always had a hands-off approach to trade disputes relating to scams and such, are they likely to change course and divert resources to policing such services? Resources that could be used for more important matters as well.
But go ahead and stomp your feet all you want, some people will still disagree with you. And to be clear, just because someone is not in agreement with you, it doesn't mean they want to convince you that you're wrong and they're right. Such silly disputes are just not that important for some people.
ohh really you know a way to sell all my essences in 5 minutes in one trade without tft? Do you use a item filter i wonder why even tho its not MANDATORY?What if i dont want to run lab 500 times to get helm enchant you know how i can go about that without tft......
I'm not sure what you just wrote has to do with what you quoted. [Removed by Support]
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1. Selling essence tabs
Some streamers have discord communities where people buy and sell stash tabs.
If you know flippers, you can contact them in-game or by other means and they might be willing to buy them.
You could also upgrade them all to shrieking, convert them via harvest crafting to the most in-demand ones and try selling them in-game at a slight to substantial discount.
Can't guarantee it will take 5 minutes this late in the league, but then again I'm not really concerned as I'm not as seemingly impatient, nor all that mindful of being efficient as you are.
While being able to do this might seem mandatory to you, it surely isn't for everyone.
2. Item filters
Yes, I use an item filter. They are quite useful, and you are right, they are not mandatory. Would someone only use something because it's mandatory? I also previously said I occasionally use TFT.
If, for some reason, I wasn't able to use filterblade to modify the filters Neversink supplies and updates, I would make my own as the documentation exists.
I'll admit, I'm really not sure where you were going with this one.
3. Lab services
I've never used lab services, so this one is out of my wheelhouse, but I'll still give it a shot.
Some lab runners stream on Twitch, you could surely ask them via that platform.
You could also use chat to ask if anyone can recommend a trusted lab runner, and if you can get a positive response, contact them in-game. This might be risky, so I wouldn't necessarily try to get a mirror tier helm enchanted this way, but a base that you'll craft yourself might be worth the risk.
Other options exist as well. You can buy a good assortment of uniques with a good selection of enchantments. Same for rare helmets, a good variety of crafted ones can be bought, or if you want to craft something specific, bases with enchants are on offer as well. Sure, what you want might not be available right when you want it, but have some patience and put it on a livesearch. It's not like you wouldn't be waiting for an indeterminate amount of time for the lab enchant service to be done.
While getting the right enchantment on a helm is great and desirable, in most case it only offers a slight benefit. By no means is a build not functional without it, so just getting a helm enchant is not mandatory, let alone using TFT to get one.
all of your suggestions are extremely tedious/frustrating to do when you can just go on TFT and make the process fast and easy
TFT isnt just "helpful" TFT is mandatory for anyone wanting to do bulk trades it just isnt some light QoL its massive
Yeah, mandatory if you want to get less because you are too lazy to trade it "normally" and just want to get rid of it now.
Thanks to people like you I can make insane money buying cheap and selling for way way more, so thanks ^ ^
TFT isnt just "helpful" TFT is mandatory for anyone wanting to do bulk trades it just isnt some light QoL its massive
Yeah, mandatory if you want to get less because you are too lazy to trade it
i make more than you becuz time is money while you buy in bulk and sell seperetly for more it takes long ass time for you to sell it all meanwhile i can farm it in bulk and sell in 5 mins so i make more per hour than you so thanks indeed and sorry for not wanting to sit in hideout 24/7 getting nonstop whispers and trading nonstop so i would not be "lazy" while i get to actually play the game and make currency
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