What is the real purpose behind each Ban order?

I'm a weird guy and i read the EULA of many games i played, one of them is this:

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7. Restrictions: Under no circumstances, without the prior written approval of Grinding Gear Games, may you:


It comes with 9 parts, 2 are most common:

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(c) Utilize any automated software or 'bots' in relation to your access or use of the Website, Materials or Services.


This is just botting

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(h) Perform in-game services during your use of the Website, Materials or Services for any form of compensation outside of PoE


This is RMT, or any kind of trading that convert in-game currency into real life assets (Hey give me your TV for my Mirror of Kalandra in STD)

If you violate their restrictions, GGG can execute clause 17:

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17. Cancellation of Membership:

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Grinding Gear Games also reserves the right, acting at its sole discretion, at any time to cancel your registration and access to your Member Account or to restrict, limit or otherwise change your existing rights of access to your Member Account, or any specific feature or benefit afforded to you in relation to your Member Account, including without limitation in respect of any Virtual Items, if it believes you have breached these Terms of Use or any other agreements you may have with Grinding Gear Games, if you have engaged in behavior which Grinding Gear Games deems in its sole discretion is not in keeping with the intended spirit of participation in PoE or for any other reason whatsoever.

In such event you agree that Grinding Gear Games will not be required to provide you with prior notice or explanation in respect of such action

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"Benefit of the doubt" is only given to 3rd-party software that are well known cause they are not automating anything in relation to gameplay, essentially, it's either a price-checker or a trading message assistant (Trade site "Direct Whispers" is the same thing)

If you think you are wrongfully banned, execute clause 32:

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32. Disputes:

In the event that you have a dispute in respect of, relating to or arising from any of the Website, Materials and Services you must immediately notify Grinding Gear Games in writing giving details of the dispute.


Appeal for a Unban Request, but Clause 17 also give GGG the rights to not disclose the reasoning behind your ban:

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In such event you agree that Grinding Gear Games will not be required to provide you with prior notice or explanation in respect of such action


TL;DR: They can only ban you if you have violated their restrictions, saying "I'm not RMT/Botting" is not a justifiable defense cause in reality, they have logs, data, actions from your account in their Database/Servers, those are Evidences from their sides. You need to provide evidence that you are not violating clause 7 if you are wrongfully banned in order for them to give you a 2nd chance (in accordance to Clause 32).

We and GGG are tied to a contract (EULA) by playing PoE, they are just using the rights that is in the Contract.

Don't make excuses, use your contract to solve the problems
Comedy gets serious.

Seriously funny.
Last edited by hasatt0 on Nov 27, 2023, 3:28:48 AM
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Winner16589N wrote:
It's right that GGG bans accounts to enforce the law, but there should be a warning first before banning. Is it reasonable for many accounts to deposit a lot of money and enthusiasm? Ban them without warning or warning. Are not?


Do you really need a warning to not cheat, RMT or use exploits? You can't be serious
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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ArtCrusade wrote:
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Winner16589N wrote:
It's right that GGG bans accounts to enforce the law, but there should be a warning first before banning. Is it reasonable for many accounts to deposit a lot of money and enthusiasm? Ban them without warning or warning. Are not?


Do you really need a warning to not cheat, RMT or use exploits? You can't be serious


Many people don't want to cheat, their actions are unfortunately mistaken, if there is an immediate warning, they will not repeat it to avoid being banned. RMT will definitely be banned.
Ban RMT people, please don't Ban people who accidentally make mistakes. Everyone deserves a second chance
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Winner16589N wrote:
Many people don't want to cheat, their actions are unfortunately mistaken, if there is an immediate warning, they will not repeat it to avoid being banned. RMT will definitely be banned.


That is just... I can't...

You seem oblivious to the ramifications of what you suggest. So in your opinion, anyone should be able to create an account and use this "get out of jail free card" to do RMT once, get off easy with a warning and continue on?

Do you yet see how such a system is just ripe for abuse?

I know that common sense is not all that common after all, but as the old saying goes: play stupid games, win stupid prizes
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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ArtCrusade wrote:
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Winner16589N wrote:
Many people don't want to cheat, their actions are unfortunately mistaken, if there is an immediate warning, they will not repeat it to avoid being banned. RMT will definitely be banned.


That is just... I can't...

You seem oblivious to the ramifications of what you suggest. So in your opinion, anyone should be able to create an account and use this "get out of jail free card" to do RMT once, get off easy with a warning and continue on?

Do you yet see how such a system is just ripe for abuse?

I know that common sense is not all that common after all, but as the old saying goes: play stupid games, win stupid prizes


There is no second chance for RMT people, but you should give a chance to those who make other mistakes by accident or warn them so they don't repeat it.
Well, nah. :)
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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ArtCrusade wrote:
Well, nah. :)


As the use of "Third Party Software" can warn them when they use it for the first time, they will be banned if they continue to violate the law?
If there is no warning, will they continue to use it until they get banned?

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