It's been hell of a league and I'm not done yet

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Aynix wrote:
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Vennto wrote:

Yeah of course - and there are probably 35 farming strats out there that DO NOT rely on IIR/IIQ, so what is the point exactly? Farming basic maps without any dedicated league mechanic is suboptimal? Wow, congrats, we established an absolute baseline of game/atlas knowledge? :D It does not impact Harvest, it does not impact anything chest-related... So maybe farm anything else other than pure Rare Monsters if you´re not into MF?


Tat point is invalid when one strat that can use MF is superrior in any way of form to other strats that cant use MF.

You see that yellow harvest juice is at 3.100 per divine, right? That means I can make, with my harvest setup, around 15 div per hour. I don´t know what the MF-juicers pull out in an hour, but i think that is pretty solid. And yes, comparing to a single person playing, not group.
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Aynix wrote:
Thats no proof at all. You prove that you can get currency w/o MF and no one needs proof for that.
How about you get proper MF gear and run 100 maps and then take out MF gear and do same 100 maps, using same strat and compare how much you made.
Many people did that this league, and MF can at least double your profit (even if you consider that you are clearing slower, which isnt always the case becuase most people use MB/HH with MF anyway)


Asking a bit much of me tho for the sake of an argument? Also: it's not just about the currency, but about farming rare unique items outside of trade. I can't just go and buy those.

"Go and commit many hours of your personal time doing this arbitrary thing" is kinda lazy.

Sure I can gear up another Pathfinder or do a full respec of the PF I already have at level 100, slap my Mageblood on it and run some MF content but what's the point?

I've seen how much Goratha has been pulling from his MF juicing and I found it somewhat comparable to my own results from when I briefly did it for 2 days before getting tired of every map being 50 shades of gray. Not saying I had the same results, but similar.

Mind you, anything brought up here is anecdotal anyway and can only be examined at face value unless people start posting 5 hour videos of their farming sessions.
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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Aynix wrote:
Thats no proof at all. You prove that you can get currency w/o MF and no one needs proof for that.
How about you get proper MF gear and run 100 maps and then take out MF gear and do same 100 maps, using same strat and compare how much you made.
Many people did that this league, and MF can at least double your profit (even if you consider that you are clearing slower, which isnt always the case becuase most people use MB/HH with MF anyway)

I don´t get why u would compare things like that. Again, running maps that require specifically IIQ gear and then missing out on that is the worst comparison ever, like what are you trying to prove here? If I run harvest without 8-mod or unidented maps without growing hoardes and pack size I also get like 50-70% less. All you prove is running mf vs. running no strat at all, which basically farming rare monsters is at this point, that comparison just leads to nowhere.
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Vennto wrote:
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Aynix wrote:
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Vennto wrote:

Yeah of course - and there are probably 35 farming strats out there that DO NOT rely on IIR/IIQ, so what is the point exactly? Farming basic maps without any dedicated league mechanic is suboptimal? Wow, congrats, we established an absolute baseline of game/atlas knowledge? :D It does not impact Harvest, it does not impact anything chest-related... So maybe farm anything else other than pure Rare Monsters if you´re not into MF?


Tat point is invalid when one strat that can use MF is superrior in any way of form to other strats that cant use MF.

You see that yellow harvest juice is at 3.100 per divine, right? That means I can make, with my harvest setup, around 15 div per hour. I don´t know what the MF-juicers pull out in an hour, but i think that is pretty solid. And yes, comparing to a single person playing, not group.


I can do same amount with a lot of strats. Want to know what solo MF can get? 30-40div/h. You can get 30 w/o even using Abyss strat (because its very boring), but if you carea bout minmaxing, you go with Abyss spires and you can reach aroundd 40div/h. Again, running solo.

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ArtCrusade wrote:


Asking a bit much of me tho for the sake of an argument? Also: it's not just about the currency, but about farming rare unique items outside of trade. I can't just go and buy those.



yeah asking for actual data to prove your point instead pulling your info from your ass because you eyebealled it is definitely too much.
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One thing to learn from this exchange is that you cannot expect a reasonable response from an unreasonable person.

Not worth my time.
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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ArtCrusade wrote:
One thing to learn from this exchange is that you cannot expect a reasonable response from an unreasonable person.

Not worth my time.


Yeah, instead you can spend this time on actually making some data instead eyeballing everything and claiming its truth.
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cursorTarget wrote:
Average build showcase... You forgot - everyone doing the same.


Maybe, but not everyone dropped this. xD



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Last league i made approximately 10-12d/h by farming Harbingers and red altars
in city square on a 30 div budget build. This league with the insane price of
Fracturing orbs and Exarch invitations/currency one would easily make 20+div/h on a similar budget and there are other non MF farming strategies that reach similar numbers.

Wanting to get MF nuked from the game only shows the profound lack of knowledge and skill issue that many players have in this game.

Yes MF characters do make a lot of currency but they also require an
absurd amount of money to get going beyond t7 cemetery. And generally speaking
MF builds are not very enjoyable to play as one has to sacrifice a lot of player
power and survibability in exchange for better rewards. Also have "fun" taking 9+min per map and clicking the ground 100+ times to get all that loot.
Go ahead and watch streamers play multiple mirror MF TS builds and see how many times they die.

In other words, git gud lol.
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sylph27 wrote:
Last league i made approximately 10-12d/h by farming Harbingers and red altars
in city square on a 30 div budget build. This league with the insane price of
Fracturing orbs and Exarch invitations/currency one would easily make 20+div/h on a similar budget and there are other non MF farming strategies that reach similar numbers.

Wanting to get MF nuked from the game only shows the profound lack of knowledge and skill issue that many players have in this game.

Yes MF characters do make a lot of currency but they also require an
absurd amount of money to get going beyond t7 cemetery. And generally speaking
MF builds are not very enjoyable to play as one has to sacrifice a lot of player
power and survibability in exchange for better rewards. Also have "fun" taking 9+min per map and clicking the ground 100+ times to get all that loot.
Go ahead and watch streamers play multiple mirror MF TS builds and see how many times they die.

In other words, git gud lol.


I'm not against anyone farming as much as they can.
Though I'm against OP MF.
It screws with the economy.
Incentives players to make glass cannon zoomers.
Makes the meme out of the game.

I've played mf. My first hh came from grinding Shaped Burials 6y ago. But combining mf with mechanics as Wisps (which are fantastic boost for non mf) just leaves the feeling of someting ain't right after seeing gazzilion div drops. Not to mention uniques.
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sylph27 wrote:

Wanting to get MF nuked from the game only shows the profound lack of knowledge and skill issue that many players have in this game.


I think you are showing a profound lack of understanding here. You are taking for granted that people advocating for the removal of MF are having troubles making currency, which - of course - is wrong.

People can make 500 divines per hour - with ot without MF - and still be against the idea of MF. I have no problem making bank this league (or any league), without running an MF build. But I still think MF is a bad idea, and think it makes the game worse as a whole. And it's not unique for PoE. MF just introduces so many indirect problems to any game - which is a sentiment shared by many (but possibly not enough).
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.

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