Bossing in POE feels bad becouse of PHASEs

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Dxt44 wrote:

I like how you asked a question yourself, answered it yourself, and by putting words in my mouth, you try to have a discussion.


What in the world are you talking about? I gave you my opinion. You gave me "you are circling the problem without addressing the problem". So I asked you....what is the problem? What is your ideal boss?

What words did I put in your mouth lol? I asked you a question and gave you MY opinion, i didn't judge you at all because I had nothing to judge. Literally why I asked the question.

"Justifies what he's doing".....what am I doing? I asked a question because you gave me no information. I told you my opinion, all you said was I was wrong lol. I am reaching out to get your opinion but you....don't want to give it for some reason?

As much as I wish I had that power....I am NOT a mind reader. I have absolutely no idea what your opinion, position, or thoughts on bosses are so how could I even begin putting words in your mouth.
Last edited by jsuslak313 on Sep 9, 2024, 1:17:59 PM
In a game where players do between 500k and several billion damage, phases on bosses was inevitable.

I don't think all phases are bad. Some phases serve a purpose, both when it comes to lore/story and when it comes to mechanics. What irritates me, is that some bosses (especially Izaro) have a tendency to keep attacking you for a long time after he should've phased.

The bigger problem in PoE 1 when it comes to bosses, is that "melee" wasn't even a part of the discussion when 'most' of them were designed.
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
We either get phases on bosses or they nerf our damage so we have to play the game. I am not a fan of phases so much myself either, but I do not think I could stand mapping if we had to take a damage loss.
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jsuslak313 wrote:
What in the world are you talking about? I gave you my opinion. You gave me "you are circling the problem without addressing the problem". So I asked you....what is the problem? What is your ideal boss?

What words did I put in your mouth lol? I asked you a question and gave you MY opinion, i didn't judge you at all because I had nothing to judge. Literally why I asked the question.

"Justifies what he's doing".....what am I doing? I asked a question because you gave me no information. I told you my opinion, all you said was I was wrong lol. I am reaching out to get your opinion but you....don't want to give it for some reason?

As much as I wish I had that power....I am NOT a mind reader. I have absolutely no idea what your opinion, position, or thoughts on bosses are so how could I even begin putting words in your mouth.

Just read what you said and tell me it makes sense.
It makes as much sense as your previous post.
On Probation Any%
Phases can be an extra hurdle or nothing more than an annoying waste of time, depending on your character power. Which seems rather counterproductive because they are supposed to "slow down" strong/min-maxed builds from insta-phasing bosses, imo.

Exarch ball phase being the only exception. But that thing is just peak bad design and something I'd expect to see in some Crash Bandicoot or Mario game, not an ARPG.
Last edited by gabpla111 on Sep 11, 2024, 1:15:21 PM
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Dxt44 wrote:

Just read what you said and tell me it makes sense.
It makes as much sense as your previous post.


You are being serious, aren't you? It wasn't just me that had no idea what the heck you were talking about lol. I don't know what it is you THINK you said so far here.....but I can almost guarantee that you haven't said it.

Lets go play by play and see where you are coming up short here:
1) I post saying boss phases are good, if they do something to the fight
2) You respond with "I completely disagree".....and no other details. This doesn't offer anything to the conversation.
3) I respond with a reasonable assumption that you disagree that boss phases are good, since that was the main point of my post. But I didn't want to assume, so I specifically ASKED you if that was what you meant. Then I went further to ask, if phases are bad then what makes an ideal boss? The only time I "put words into your mouth" in any way was by assuming your "completely disagree" comment was about phases being good. What else could it have been except phases=bad? But I asked you about it so you could have clarified right away.
4) Additionally, I gave you MY thoughts on WHY a no-phase boss has problems. Because my opinion was that phases are GOOD. Naturally, I also think no-phases are bad. But that is MY opinion. I am still waiting on yours.
5) You have now responded three times with absolutely NO information! No opinion, no clarifications, only attacks for absolutely no reason here.

Despite all this, I'm STILL curious what your ideal boss looks like, if you "completely disagree" with....whatever you disagree with, which you still have not shared.

This might be the weirdest situation I've encountered in the forum in a long time.....I ask anyone else in this conversation: what the heck am I missing here?
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jsuslak313 wrote:
You are being serious, aren't you? It wasn't just me that had no idea what the heck you were talking about lol. I don't know what it is you THINK you said so far here.....but I can almost guarantee that you haven't said it.

Lets go play by play and see where you are coming up short here:
1) I post saying boss phases are good, if they do something to the fight
2) You respond with "I completely disagree".....and no other details. This doesn't offer anything to the conversation.
3) I respond with a reasonable assumption that you disagree that boss phases are good, since that was the main point of my post. But I didn't want to assume, so I specifically ASKED you if that was what you meant. Then I went further to ask, if phases are bad then what makes an ideal boss? The only time I "put words into your mouth" in any way was by assuming your "completely disagree" comment was about phases being good. What else could it have been except phases=bad? But I asked you about it so you could have clarified right away.
4) Additionally, I gave you MY thoughts on WHY a no-phase boss has problems. Because my opinion was that phases are GOOD. Naturally, I also think no-phases are bad. But that is MY opinion. I am still waiting on yours.
5) You have now responded three times with absolutely NO information! No opinion, no clarifications, only attacks for absolutely no reason here.

Despite all this, I'm STILL curious what your ideal boss looks like, if you "completely disagree" with....whatever you disagree with, which you still have not shared.

This might be the weirdest situation I've encountered in the forum in a long time.....I ask anyone else in this conversation: what the heck am I missing here?

I understand you are up-set. Just calm down, end with those paragraphs, stop repeating yourself 5 times and ask a solid question. Thank you!

And BTW. I don't know if you've noticed, but in one post you say you didn't do something, and in the next one you say you actually did. lol
On Probation Any%
Last edited by Dxt44 on Sep 11, 2024, 2:08:16 PM
Phases aren't going anywhere. They artificially insert tension, longevity and are a buffer against stackers and mines/traps 1-shotting everything.

They are also a check on builds that are only viable in bursts too. Before it was so easy to always have flasks up, you would typically have 10~ish seconds to get all your damage in. People used to TP out to refill flasks then go back into boss fights. I know I did.

The only phase I don't like is the flame-balls phase in uber exarch. As similar as it is to the bullet-hell phase on Uber Shaper, it seems much deadlier.
I'm struggling to come up with new goals to keep me playing this game.
Still no answer....just more utter insanity. I am in disbelief.
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Draegnarrr wrote:
Maven is very heavy on mechanics and very light on character power requirements


you need a lot of movespeed as a baseline for anything heavy on mechanics, so i agree with you on that.

power requirements? permanent degen pools exist in maven fights so nah i m gonna disagree with you on that.

if you take out the perma degen pool, i would be 100% with you, or if they made the degen pools last 12 seconds or so that would be fair.

but on the very extreme end, i would say her memory game is beyond skill and would require good cognitive skills.

i m not young anymore. ask me to memorize a sequence. i probably can but it takes time. but maven's memory game? the one where i m pumped up with a lot of adrenaline trying to stay alive? nah i cant memorize shit.

especially near her end phase where we need to avoid her beams at the same time.

i cant pay attention to her beams AND memorize the sequence at the same time.

a few times i die before the memory game, i try and "play the memory game" by watching the sequence from the comfort of my death screen and i realize sometimes i mess up the sequence anyway.

the only saving grace i have is that i dont need to fucking touch maven after i've got the void stone.
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