Waystones killed my progress

its so easy to sustain waystones in poe 2 idk how you people have troubles doing it i have so much t14/t15 maps that i keep using them just for normal travel nodes without league mechcanics in it i havent bought a single waystone

There is a skill to sustaining waystones for sure.. I figured it out, but my IRL buddy certainly has not.

I think it's a pretty bogus mechanic to have players struggling to get materials to play the game. Most players, if they lose all on-tier waystones, will just sto playing.. because it is not worth the trouble to figure out how to convince the game to let you enjoy it.

If GGG wants to retain players, they should entirely remove the need to sustain white-waystones from the game.. and focus the "waystone game" around getting higher tier waystones for more rewards.

THe simplest way to do this is to have Dorani just sell every tier of white waystones in unlimited quantities.

A better way to do this, IMO, would be to make the Atlas itself a different layer per tier, that you could navigate "up and down" in. if this were done, map nodes could be started without any waystone, and waystones would be put in only to buff a map. That would solve some of the problems with huge sprawling scroll-fests on the atlas, and also allow them to bound how far someone has to go on the T14/T15 maps to find citadels.

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PalamaladiA#5012 wrote:

I am LvL 77 and at tier 8 Waystones ... i died 2 times (lost stones) during that progression, have multiple towers, atlas active and run overall maps with over 120% waystone buff - but i just can`t find waystones anymore.

The drama started at about tier 5/6 where i noticed a significant lack of waytones in runs. All i find, if i am lucky enough to find a waystone in general now, are lower tier ones. So i upgraded all low tier stones and now i am out of waystones. I did not find a tier 7/8 or higher in the last 5 maps. I run a tier 8 map and i drop ONE tier 3 Waystone after 7 elite monster - why?

The progression from tier 1-4 was fluid. Now simply impossible.
How i am supposed to continue the game now without maps?

Why does the vendor only offer tier 1 maps?
Why can`t we buy maps with the same tier as our progression?

I don`t understand how this makes sense at all.

I think i am game over now ... sad.

Same experience here. T4 maps in T8 means it is a pointless and boring exercise. I already cleared the lower maps but the game is forcing me to do *more*. Is that a reward or punishment? o.o

Looking forward to new classes/acts but otherwise there is nothing else to do really

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Deviant#8289 wrote:

its so easy to sustain waystones in poe 2 idk how you people have troubles doing it i have so much t14/t15 maps that i keep using them just for normal travel nodes without league mechcanics in it i havent bought a single waystone

Oo the falacy.. just because it does not happen to you do not mean it is not a problem. There are people with recorded game sessions streams where zero waystones drop in 4-5 maps in a row.

just friggn run your highest waystones on boss (best) nodes or breach (second best) and never cry about waystones again. OH ALSO DONT DIE EVERY SINGLE MAP, that will make you undersustain for reasons NOT tied to waystone drops.

upgrade your waystones and kill map bosses and u will never run out

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

just friggn run your highest waystones on boss (best) nodes or breach (second best) and never cry about waystones again. OH ALSO DONT DIE EVERY SINGLE MAP, that will make you undersustain for reasons NOT tied to waystone drops.

You do not see an issue when a system demands you to play a specific way not not lock itself out? That defies the whole concept of we having choices. Why let us even chose the map if there is only one valid selection? Think a bit about it. IF they want to let people explore several forms.. some might not be as good as others, but there shoudl not be only one or 2 that are sustainable.

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

just friggn run your highest waystones on boss (best) nodes or breach (second best) and never cry about waystones again. OH ALSO DONT DIE EVERY SINGLE MAP, that will make you undersustain for reasons NOT tied to waystone drops.

You do not see an issue when a system demands you to play a specific way not not lock itself out? That defies the whole concept of we having choices. Why let us even chose the map if there is only one valid selection? Think a bit about it. IF they want to let people explore several forms.. some might not be as good as others, but there shoudl not be only one or 2 that are sustainable.

No, because that was besides my point - forum is full of people crying they can't progress their waystones - I just shared the way I used and NEVER experienced a waystone shortage. I don't know if its the best way, I don't know if its the only way. I do know that I am WAAAAY oversustaining maps and wanted to help the people having that issue.

Now you come along and cry because I gave a solution

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

just friggn run your highest waystones on boss (best) nodes or breach (second best) and never cry about waystones again. OH ALSO DONT DIE EVERY SINGLE MAP, that will make you undersustain for reasons NOT tied to waystone drops.

You do not see an issue when a system demands you to play a specific way not not lock itself out? That defies the whole concept of we having choices. Why let us even chose the map if there is only one valid selection? Think a bit about it. IF they want to let people explore several forms.. some might not be as good as others, but there shoudl not be only one or 2 that are sustainable.

You seem to be a bit confused. There is not one specific way, there are choices that YOU the player make.

If you want to juice it to the max for item drops, then you may have waystone sustainment problems. As this game is designed first for trade, the solution is that you buy them.

If you want to oversustain on waystones, there are ways to do that. You can then sell your extras to those that are not sustaining. Your normal loot drops will likely not be as good, but you're making profit off the extra waystones.

You can also take a balanced approach, never being as good as either but being self-sufficient. I normally go for this personally.

It's up to you to LEARN and then see what style you want to go for, what you can't get is everything at once.

There's also multiple ways to sustain, the map boss method is just the easiest and most available to earlier tiers. Those that can handle more juiced maps don't need to rely on map bosses as much.

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

just friggn run your highest waystones on boss (best) nodes or breach (second best) and never cry about waystones again. OH ALSO DONT DIE EVERY SINGLE MAP, that will make you undersustain for reasons NOT tied to waystone drops.

You do not see an issue when a system demands you to play a specific way not not lock itself out? That defies the whole concept of we having choices. Why let us even chose the map if there is only one valid selection? Think a bit about it. IF they want to let people explore several forms.. some might not be as good as others, but there shoudl not be only one or 2 that are sustainable.

Also the choice of dying before killing enough mobs to get waystones is invalid