You're making an ARPG in 2025, but you're stuck in 1999

diablo 2 is a dogshit game with bunch of outdated ideas and systems, and no dev should try to copy anything from it in the current year

if ggg tried to steal from grim dawn instead of diablo 2, this game would be much more successful

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auspexa#1404 wrote:

diablo 2 is a dogshit game with bunch of outdated ideas and systems, and no dev should try to copy anything from it in the current year

if ggg tried to steal from grim dawn instead of diablo 2, this game would be much more successful

And it's still one of the best ARPG ever made. I don't care what do you think but i love the insane amout of nostalgy breathing from PoE 2. All I ever wanted was Diablo 2 with PoE mechanics and that's all what I got.

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Blasphemous84#2190 wrote:

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murdouken#6360 wrote:

op why did you spend 100+ bucks on early access packs for a game you apparently knew nothing about

I have a couple thousand hours in PoE 1. I’m well aware of the heritage, but this is PoE 2. This is their opportunity to abandon all the archaic bullshit that made the first game niche and make a great, modern ARPG. Having the same lazy loot and inconvenient gameplay “features” as the first one just doesn’t make sense.

Hence this post. In the feedback forum. Thanks for coming.

It's actually worse..

They based this game on ruthless, as an improved take on POE 1 (that NOBODY but GGG, and about 100 players worldwide cared about)

That base that nobody cares about at all, is what POE 2 is modeled after.

That's right, of the two options, they picked the worse one as the base.

I don't care if GGG thinks we should spam mana flasks, I think the 200+ int requirement means I should be able to replace my mana flask with something else, and my mana regen is through the roof with 200 int.

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ben255#1931 wrote:

A lot of people actually want to play a improved d2, including ggg devs. One day people that dont like this gamestyle will learn to go install d4 where they get all of this. Its a boring ass game with no challange and thats what you really want so lets not sugercoat it. You want poe2 to be d4 and this is why d4 was shit in the first place because they think you are the target audience but in the long run youre not.

POE 1 and 2 have literally zero challenge. They just believe tedious = challenging. It doesn't.

POE 2 is (for me) even easier than POE 1, and in POE 1 I can still make immortal builds. Same with POE 2.

GGG doesn't know how to make anything challenging, they simply can't do it -- they only know how to make stuff obnoxious.

One day we will have to tap Q and E to swing our legs. To them, that increases difficulty, but that's their wildly hot take.

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Rakie1337#5746 wrote:

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ben255#1931 wrote:

A lot of people actually want to play a improved d2, including ggg devs. One day people that dont like this gamestyle will learn to go install d4 where they get all of this. Its a boring ass game with no challange and thats what you really want so lets not sugercoat it. You want poe2 to be d4 and this is why d4 was shit in the first place because they think you are the target audience but in the long run youre not.

POE 1 and 2 have literally zero challenge. They just believe tedious = challenging. It doesn't.

POE 2 is (for me) even easier than POE 1, and in POE 1 I can still make immortal builds. Same with POE 2.

GGG doesn't know how to make anything challenging, they simply can't do it -- they only know how to make stuff obnoxious.

One day we will have to tap Q and E to swing our legs. To them, that increases difficulty, but that's their wildly hot take.

It will always tickle my nuts that people think stat stacking and res capping the way the devs want you to is somehow something to brag about.

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Paimon001#6701 wrote:

It's a bit disingenuous to act like changing the game such that max resist isn't a mandatory target would somehow eliminate the need to target elemental resistance at all.

Diablo 2 isn't the only RPG in the world. Lots of games have multiple damage types and manage to make choosing which to be strongest against an interesting choice.

Hell, we could have done that using the charms system. Resist charms already exist, it wouldn't take a major tweak to make those act as your primary elemental defense.

you can increase your maximum resistance to specific elements, take one type of damage as another type of damage, use armour, use reduced damage taken of a specific damage type. theres many ways to specialise into taking less damage of a specific type.

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auspexa#1404 wrote:

diablo 2 is a dogshit game with bunch of outdated ideas and systems, and no dev should try to copy anything from it in the current year

if ggg tried to steal from grim dawn instead of diablo 2, this game would be much more successful

do you think it could be as successful as grim dawn?

grim dawn isn't very successful, at least numbers-wise, because it's meant to cater to a niche audience

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auspexa#1404 wrote:

grim dawn isn't very successful, at least numbers-wise, because it's meant to cater to a niche audience

and you think copying this would make poe more successful?







theres a reason why my poe1 play time is about 20x that. i cant really think of a single thing this game does that is better than poe. its a cool little game but it gets a lot of things fundamentally wrong.

you could say the same about diablo 2

yet the devs are insistent on copying it

GGG tried to copy Last Epoch, which is even worse than Grim Dawn both in quality and popularity, but they did a very poor job with item affixes.
Should have at least figured out how to sort those properly.
It's insane to me how one of the omens is only usable if you use non GGG affiliated websites to check for item level.
This is not really acceptable.
Oh yea and mirror bricks some items with innate skills, not sure if that ever got fixed.
The amount of lazy copy pasted code that was never tested is beyond ridiculous.
They can't even fix netcode to make it so every other 5th map during peak hours isn't corrupted.
But i guess who cares now about 80% people have quit either with positive mindset or not, but quit nonetheless so there ain't any peak hours