WTF with prices on Settlers?

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SilverWF#6383 wrote:

There would be way more items, available to sale, for lower prices, obviously

Because now I am limited to seller being online and willing to trade, which is OUTDATED system for nerds.

No there wouldn't.

This really is not that hard, please try to follow me on this because it's the kind of critical thinking that is extremely important for making informed decisions in life:

The items you are seeing listed months ago by people who are not playing the league would not still be available, because they would have been sold months ago or de-listed by the sellers when they stopped playing the league. The only reason people don't de-list their items when they stop playing is BECAUSE it's impossible for people to snipe them for cheap as the values change. A scenario does not exist where you could pay less for items which were listed by people who are not currently playing the league.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 wrote:

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SilverWF#6383 wrote:

There would be way more items, available to sale, for lower prices, obviously

Because now I am limited to seller being online and willing to trade, which is OUTDATED system for nerds.

No there wouldn't.

This really is not that hard, please try to follow me on this because it's the kind of critical thinking that is extremely important for making informed decisions in life:

The items you are seeing listed months ago by people who are not playing the league would not still be available, because they would have been sold months ago or de-listed by the sellers when they stopped playing the league. The only reason people don't de-list their items when they stop playing is BECAUSE it's impossible for people to snipe them for cheap as the values change. A scenario does not exist where you could pay less for items which were listed by people who are not currently playing the league.

please try to follow me on this because it's the kind of critical thinking that is extremely important for making informed decisions in life

It may be bought and may NOT

It may be delisted and may NOT

Who will snipe it? For what? They would stop playing too and put it on sale again. Why not?

The whole trading would became WAY easier, so will force people to trade way more. Easier trading - WAY more options!

It is SO easy and SO obvious, jeez.

I literally can't explain it any simpler, man.

Sorry.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 wrote:

I literally can't explain it any simpler, man.

Sorry.

Same, sorry.

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SilverWF#6383 wrote:

please try to follow me on this because it's the kind of critical thinking that is extremely important for making informed decisions in life

It may be bought and may NOT

It may be delisted and may NOT

Who will snipe it? For what? They would stop playing too and put it on sale again. Why not?

And you think they'd put it on sale again at the price they bought it at, rather than its current market value?

If people were buying these items, these cheap items way below the current market price would've been bought long ago. If people weren't buying these items, then why did their price go up?



Your argument seems to be predicated on the current situation: "Look at all of these goods that should be reentering the market because the users are online again, except that they're playing a different league".

Arguing that these goods would still be available at lower prices later in the league assumes that an AH system, or any other system for buying without requiring the seller's interaction, would not list/sell items while the seller is offline. That is not only very different from what people would want/expect out of such a system, but also different to how the Currency Exchange works.

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Jadian#0111 wrote:

would not list/sell items while the seller is offline

Who tells about currency exchange? Only you

I am talking about PROPER AH, which does not require the seller being online.

And you completely ignoring the FACT that many players do not trade because of how busted and complicated the current system is. If they are online, but in different league - they didn't even want to do insta relog to sell.
Because it IS dumb and boring system, which favor only RMTers and bot owners.

And more sellers = more competition.

Its simple whats up with prices. You're playing very tail end of a league which in the best of times have an extremely dynamic economy that always "dies" AKA less people = less supply longer in league = tons of unused currency that hyperinflates and demand outstrips supply especially for rare/high end drops which are also in greater supply when the most "try hard" players are playing and thus much less available as they leave later in a league because they're "try hard" and play faster, and get burned out faster.

The most traded items will also be flipped more efficiently when there's less of them driving the price up.

Its a problem for people who feel that the fun of a game is "having all the things" instead of the fun being the process of playing and finding the things or managing to buy them as the case may be.

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SilverWF#6383 wrote:

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Jadian#0111 wrote:

would not list/sell items while the seller is offline

I am talking about PROPER AH, which does not require the seller being online.

You're arguing that an AH would mean there would be more items available to sale, and for cheaper prices to boot. Part of the basis for your argument was based on items that were being listed on the market again due to people who'd left the game, coming back for the Phrecia event.

While that might be an example of how the current trade system is bad, it doesn't equate to things being available more cheaply, because this example requires "items reenter a market at a lower price because the seller was offline".
This case cannot happen in "a proper AH", so the current trade situation cannot be used to show that "prices would be lower with a proper AH".

That was my point: since this would not happen in a proper AH, an "AH that doesn't sell items if the seller is offline" would be required for "prices to be lower due to people coming back late in a league or at the end of a league".

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SilverWF#6383 wrote:

And you completely ignoring the FACT that many players do not trade because of how busted and complicated the current system is. If they are online, but in different league - they didn't even want to do insta relog to sell.
Because it IS dumb and boring system, which favor only RMTers and bot owners.

And more sellers = more competition.

More sellers = more competition = lower prices.
More buyers = more competition = higher prices.

People not trading due to the current system goes both ways. Aren't there more complaints about "sellers not responding" than there are about buyers in general?

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SilverWF#6383 wrote:

Who tells about currency exchange? Only you

"Who cares about an AH for currency?"
While an AH for items wouldn't use all the same rules, the premise would be the same. Which'd probably include the limited number of slots for putting items up to trade, and not entirely replacing the existing trade system.

I don't keep my hand on trade's pulse, so I'll ask you: how much of an impact did the Currency Exchange have on the availability and price of the goods available through it?

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Jadian#0111 wrote:

Meh

You are taking just starting and end point and trying to make some conclusions from it

You completely ignoring the whole process and this is your HUGE mistake

In the League life, more people would buy too, ofc - but what for? For the sake of buying or for their builds?

Get gear for build, completed achievments then throw it on sale and go away.

Now most of players just let their gear to die along with league characters, becuse who the hell would sit online there in hope of getting trade request, if they have nothing else left to do there? No one!

But it's WAY easier to throw items on AH, make discount (you want to actually sell stuff) and then forget about it for a week, two or even to the end of league, just to login there and check if you got some currency for your gear.

Ofc not everyone would sell their gear at AH this way, BUT miles and miles more than we have now. Why? Because it is EASIER!

You have PC and typing to the Internet - we all have it not because humanity were tend to keep being retrograde, but because humanity were always focused on progress.
So why keep this outdated and nerd trading system instead of modern and progressive AH?

P.S. Currency exchange is still outdated and nerds system.