My Thoughts on "Your Thoughts" on the State of PoE

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

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Raycheetah#7060 wrote:

So, I am expected to be civil about a game which has usurped the resources the game I and many others prefer was supposed to continue receiving? A game which for two years the devs knew was going to be not an improvement to the game we prefer, but a completely separate and different game, during which time we continued to lend our monetary support based on what we had been told (and which support, for some of us, constituted hundreds of dollars)?

And I am expected to play nice in spite of the "other game's" enthusiasts regularly dumping on the game I and many others prefer as being somehow inferior, and us along with it for enjoying it?

Naw, man. I think we have every right to be salty, with GGG for the bait-and-switch, and with the cadre of Deuce supporters (many of whom are "recreational visitors," shall we say) who happily talk smack about "our" game, which we thought we were supporting, and about us for lacking the good taste to like the same game they do.

How we PoE 1 supporters express our unhappiness is up to each of us as individuals, being ever mindful of the forum rules. Don't deign to tell me how to post; I can sort that out for myself, thank you very much. ='[.]'=

There is salty.. and there is plainly ruse and offensive. Those are different thresholds.

Plenty of that in both camps, Exile. ='[.]'=

Honestly, people really need to realize that both games, PoE1 and PoE2, can coexist just fine. Lately, there’s been a wave of overly negative takes claiming PoE2 isn’t doing well, even though the actual data shows the opposite.

It’s also worth remembering that it’s perfectly normal for a company to prioritize the projects they believe in, even if that means some delays for other content. Game development takes serious time and resources, and trying to give equal attention to everything at once just isn’t realistic.

All the frustration around slower patch cycles reflects a kind of impatience that, at times, borders on entitlement. It’s okay to want updates, but the level of outrage some people show is honestly over the top. At some point, it's healthy to take a step back and remember this is a hobby, not something to lose sleep over.

It’s surprising how often people get angry at a company for working on something they’re passionate about, something they believe will secure their future.
And let’s be real: no one is being forced to stop playing PoE1. You can still log in and enjoy it just as much as before. The existence of PoE2 doesn’t take away from that, it adds to the franchise as a whole.

Personally, I enjoy both PoE1 and PoE2. It’s clear they cater to slightly different playstyles and player preferences. But both games being around doesn’t make either one worse. Even if development focus temporarily shifts, that’s just the nature of supporting two major titles under one roof.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to GGG’s priorities, and more often than not, studios do know what’s best for their long-term success. Just because we as players have opinions doesn’t mean we see the full picture behind the scenes.

As an example, I enjoyed Diablo 3 more than Diablo 4, with its different approach, but I don’t fault Blizzard for evolving and moving forward with a new vision. That’s how game development works: evolve, experiment, refine, repeat.

I feel they should stick to a three month rule as a Maximum time alowed before a new poe1 league, even if it means running an old league now and then.

Your post might have some validity if we weren't PAYING to PLAY TEST their game, and then when we give them feedback they say "oh you think the zones are tedious, frustrating, and long but they're not, they're only like 10x longer than any zone in PoE 1 so its the monster HP you delusional players are feeling."

Guess all the devs were playing the broken tornado build when they play tested and said "wowie huntress so powerful need to buff all mob hp back to archnemesis levels"

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Slick3152#0352 wrote:

Guess all the devs were playing the broken tornado build when they play tested and said "wowie huntress so powerful need to buff all mob hp back to archnemesis levels"

Or it's just that players expect the same zoom zoom and power creep of PoE1.
There used to be a time in PoE1 of monsters fighting back as well, but that's not really the case anymore these days with even rare monsters getting overpowered day one by Andy in shoelace gear.

The problem is not the game, but the players playing it with the expectation of having the same piss easy gameplay loop of PoE1's current power creep level.

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

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If ANYONE at GGG would say ANTHING that made it clear that PoE 1 is still a priority - or just a small sign that ANYONE at GGG still cares about the game, I wouldn't even offer PoE 2 a single second of effort or thought.

PoE 1 is a game designed around seasonal play. "Just go play it" isn't as straightforward as some people think it is. While Phrecia did indeed add some cool stuff, we still find ourself in the "same league" as we did almost a year ago.

My problem isn't PoE1 or PoE2. My problem is GGG's unwillingness to do what they said they would; support both games. If GGG came out today and said "we're closing down PoE 1 servers", I would probably be more OK with it than this uncertain "wait until x, and then we'll see" situation.

I'll be constructive when GGG show some constructive plans for PoE1 :D

Saying something and doing it are two different things.
I personally think from what they showed in the last 4+ years that triple G is not able to support two games on a good quality level with the current manpower.

Support 2 games at all? Perhaps. So basically like now. This would mean one game is the main game and the other is barely over life support.

Me personally wish they scrap PiE 2 and get the best elements from it like Boss fights, skill gem system, QoL (ingame auction house,better ingame help) and make it into PoE 1. Better graphics would be the cherry on top.

But yeah they failed to make a game that focusses on methodical and slower combo style gameplay while still haveing monsters with high move/attack speed that jump you from all directions.

I don't take anything people without supporter packs say seriously. You haven't invested anything in the game like some of us have and because of that you're free to walk away without having ever lost anything. That's not the case. Sunk cost fallacy is a real thing and with literally THOUSANDS of USD spent on this game I think it's fair to voice some criticism.

Sadly my well written post meant as feedback got a whopping TWO replies before it was overshadowed by regular whining.

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

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Raycheetah#7060 wrote:

So, I am expected to be civil about a game which has usurped the resources the game I and many others prefer was supposed to continue receiving? A game which for two years the devs knew was going to be not an improvement to the game we prefer, but a completely separate and different game, during which time we continued to lend our monetary support based on what we had been told (and which support, for some of us, constituted hundreds of dollars)?

And I am expected to play nice in spite of the "other game's" enthusiasts regularly dumping on the game I and many others prefer as being somehow inferior, and us along with it for enjoying it?

Naw, man. I think we have every right to be salty, with GGG for the bait-and-switch, and with the cadre of Deuce supporters (many of whom are "recreational visitors," shall we say) who happily talk smack about "our" game, which we thought we were supporting, and about us for lacking the good taste to like the same game they do.

How we PoE 1 supporters express our unhappiness is up to each of us as individuals, being ever mindful of the forum rules. Don't deign to tell me how to post; I can sort that out for myself, thank you very much. ='[.]'=

There is salty.. and there is plainly ruse and offensive. Those are different thresholds.

The idea that rudeness is the end of the world is nonsensical to begin with, and there isn't a "threshold"; there are as many as there are people.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

Honestly, people really need to realize that both games, PoE1 and PoE2, can coexist just fine. Lately, there’s been a wave of overly negative takes claiming PoE2 isn’t doing well, even though the actual data shows the opposite.

PoE2 isn't doing well. PoE1 was always a niche, and PoE2 having more players in its first new league with all the associated hype is not that strong an indicator. It's fine, it'll likely be fine, but it's certainly not the smash hit they were hoping for.

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It’s also worth remembering that it’s perfectly normal for a company to prioritize the projects they believe in, even if that means some delays for other content. Game development takes serious time and resources, and trying to give equal attention to everything at once just isn’t realistic.

GGG said that PoE2 development would not impact PoE1, and further that PoE1 would BENEFIT from the development of technology of PoE2. They said that in the period in which they were initially courting monetary investment. If it "isn't realistic" to give attention to both projects, they shouldn't have sold the premise on the idea that it was.

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All the frustration around slower patch cycles reflects a kind of impatience that, at times, borders on entitlement. It’s okay to want updates, but the level of outrage some people show is honestly over the top. At some point, it's healthy to take a step back and remember this is a hobby, not something to lose sleep over.

You know what leads to "entitlement"? Being entitled to something. It is not ok that PoE1 has had no new leagues in 9 months or even more despite promises leading to financial investment in the company. So yes, it is entitlement. Just not the kind you use as a put down.

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It’s surprising how often people get angry at a company for working on something they’re passionate about, something they believe will secure their future.
And let’s be real: no one is being forced to stop playing PoE1. You can still log in and enjoy it just as much as before. The existence of PoE2 doesn’t take away from that, it adds to the franchise as a whole.

PoE1 had a new league every 3 to 4 months for a decade. PoE2 dropped. PoE1 has not had a new league for a year. Your paragraph is overtly a lie.

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Personally, I enjoy both PoE1 and PoE2. It’s clear they cater to slightly different playstyles and player preferences. But both games being around doesn’t make either one worse. Even if development focus temporarily shifts, that’s just the nature of supporting two major titles under one roof.

They don't cater to "slightly" different playstyles and player preferences. And it isn't "the nature" of supporting two titles under one roof - most companies have different teams for different games. GGG chose to develop the way they have, in a manner that runs counter to what they implied they would do.

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At the end of the day, it all comes down to GGG’s priorities, and more often than not, studios do know what’s best for their long-term success. Just because we as players have opinions doesn’t mean we see the full picture behind the scenes.

No, it all comes down to the priorities of the people who pay GGG money. I don't know what could possibly give you the idea that studios do what's best for them; the past 5 years has shown that is extremely frequently not the case. What is far more consistently true is that company executives know what's best for their hip pockets in the short term, and what happens to the company or product in the long term doesn't play a large part in the equation. This doesn't seem to be the case in GGG though, because their behavior is overtly not in their own best short-term financial interest either, but that doesn't mean they are doing what's best for the company or the products.

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As an example, I enjoyed Diablo 3 more than Diablo 4, with its different approach, but I don’t fault Blizzard for evolving and moving forward with a new vision. That’s how game development works: evolve, experiment, refine, repeat.

Good for you; nobody said you had to. Blizzard also didn't say that D4 would improve the development of D3, that D3 would continue to receive the same updates as before, that both games would share an endgame, or any other of the promises that GGG made about PoE1.