Xbox Game Share

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Ojczyzna#1897 wrote:

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scaeva_#9735 wrote:

I do get that there might be some legit users being affected and that it sucks... But all I see in thread are people not thinking rationally... Sure a turn back might leave the weak out of balance, but the crying is insane... Here's a few funny things I took notice from several replies:

- spends 1300 $US and cries because can't afford 30 for a another account?
- someone bought skins, sure and they are tied to one account right or they just got away?
- GGG clearly states it involves remote play, so what has Xbox local sandbox environment had to do with anything? Ever considered that input might be manipulated and it's just spamming bots advertising for sites to buy currency and items and is hurting thousands of players? On a platform where virtually one can create hundreds or thousands of accounts and keep cycling them to nefarious purposes?
- Looking at the numbers of replies on this thread it sounds like it's a drop of water in the ocean, a small price to pay for stopping ban evasion and this spamming bot issue...

Well, keep feeding the thread... There's nothing better than farming divines while sipping on a good tear cocktail 😂

This should be resolved on GGG and Microsoft business level, not bandaid using duct tape which made legit players splashed down the toilet.

Might be novelty to you, but remember this, people always should exercise their rights. Always.

OK, lets do this... What people refer as 'Xbox game share' is actually what is commercialy designed as 'XBox Home', which is designed for people to share subscriptions like XBox Game Pass and Xbox Live Gold, and to share games, THOUGH nowhere it is written that ALL games are eligible to be shared, if I am wrong please point me to where such is stated...

In fact, PoE 2 as an early access which according to XBOX is not elegible for sharing as PoE 2 has not yet been released... Now if you go to Xbox Game Preview FAQ, you clearly can read that publishers can restrict sharing of specific content.

So, it's kind a FUBAR for XBox users which could be dubbed as stupid consumers for not knowing the terms and conditions of the service they subscribe and for not looking for information that is clearly out in the open by XBox.

It's cool that OECD is going to use indexes like «functional iliteracy» :) All this topic seems to be a cool example of on how our society of hot shots is actually bad...

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Timbo Zero#8289 wrote:

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scaeva_#9735 wrote:

- spends 1300 $US and cries because can't afford 30 for a another account?

Not sure who this is aimed at, but I have spent this amount so maybe I qualify.
The point has nothing to do with being able to afford 30$ but to do with GGG feeling that someone that has spent 1300 isnt entitled to a 30$ key. Lifetime supporters get free keys!
Technically, for parity with PC, as a lifetime supporter I should have got one for lifetime AND one for ea supporter pack. That’s 2 in total and they gave me just one AND revoked my son being able to play via game share.

Additionally 1300$ over 7 years (in my case how long I have played) is 15.50 (rounded) a month so it’s not a person with huge resources but a lot of years supporting the game and company.

Lets put it in a clear way: PoE2 is early access not a full released game, as such publishers can restrict how this content is available according to XBox own documentation, I refer you to the XBox Game Preview FAQ.

This topic is no more than an angry mob grabbing torches and pitchforks marching for a cause that has no substance according to XBox own documentation. Furthermore the use of 'XBox Home' which appears to be refered as XBox Game sharing in this thread also states that this service is meant to be shared inside of the same house hold, which is not an issue for your situation but it for some other comments. This feature used outside of this scope is a violation of XBox terms :)

What I really would like to see while I grab some popcorn is why no one is going for the epic law suit :) Courts are better at deciding this than an angry mob with torches and pitchforks.

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scaeva_#9735 wrote:

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Ojczyzna#1897 wrote:

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scaeva_#9735 wrote:

I do get that there might be some legit users being affected and that it sucks... But all I see in thread are people not thinking rationally... Sure a turn back might leave the weak out of balance, but the crying is insane... Here's a few funny things I took notice from several replies:

- spends 1300 $US and cries because can't afford 30 for a another account?
- someone bought skins, sure and they are tied to one account right or they just got away?
- GGG clearly states it involves remote play, so what has Xbox local sandbox environment had to do with anything? Ever considered that input might be manipulated and it's just spamming bots advertising for sites to buy currency and items and is hurting thousands of players? On a platform where virtually one can create hundreds or thousands of accounts and keep cycling them to nefarious purposes?
- Looking at the numbers of replies on this thread it sounds like it's a drop of water in the ocean, a small price to pay for stopping ban evasion and this spamming bot issue...

Well, keep feeding the thread... There's nothing better than farming divines while sipping on a good tear cocktail 😂

This should be resolved on GGG and Microsoft business level, not bandaid using duct tape which made legit players splashed down the toilet.

Might be novelty to you, but remember this, people always should exercise their rights. Always.

OK, lets do this... What people refer as 'Xbox game share' is actually what is commercialy designed as 'XBox Home', which is designed for people to share subscriptions like XBox Game Pass and Xbox Live Gold, and to share games, THOUGH nowhere it is written that ALL games are eligible to be shared, if I am wrong please point me to where such is stated...

In fact, PoE 2 as an early access which according to XBOX is not elegible for sharing as PoE 2 has not yet been released... Now if you go to Xbox Game Preview FAQ, you clearly can read that publishers can restrict sharing of specific content.

So, it's kind a FUBAR for XBox users which could be dubbed as stupid consumers for not knowing the terms and conditions of the service they subscribe and for not looking for information that is clearly out in the open by XBox.

It's cool that OECD is going to use indexes like «functional iliteracy» :) All this topic seems to be a cool example of on how our society of hot shots is actually bad...

Dude, the sharing mentioned in the FAQ that can get restricted is NOT game sharing. It's sharing in the sense of sharing a video or screenshot. Read it again and you will agree.

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/xbox-game-preview-faq

Also, where did you read that according to Xbox this is game isn't eligible to game share??? Because I got my refund RIGHT AWAY when I told Xbox support what happened to me and my partner

Also, regarding Game Share

"What you can share

Share these with anyone who signs in to your home Xbox:
Games and downloadable content from the Microsoft Store
Games from an Xbox Game Pass subscription

Account-specific items can’t always be shared. Some examples are:
Game-specific content like Minecraft Skin Mashups or Halo REQ Packs purchased with in-game currencies
In-game currency such as Minecraft Coins
Certain pre-order bonuses and special edition content that can only be redeemed once"

https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/hardware-network/console/my-home-xbox

It's clear that you can share games, but not microtransactions.

I've been using this system in my home for years, including other game preview titles, and the only I had problem was with POE2. That says a lot

That being said, you talk a big game for someone that read a FAQ, posted here, but failed to interpret it properly 😅

I won't be reading your reply and I hope other folks see this thread as a form of understanding what is going on and get properly informed.

Cya

pretending you fight bots while everyone knows you don't fight bots at all.

The reality, your argument being correct or not, is that on Reddit there are multiple posts of pics showing Microsoft issuing refunds for this revocation and that’s proof enough to show that GGG is either in breach of MS ToS or have made severely unwise decision to make this move as those refunds are (more than) likely to overtake any additional 30$ EA key revenues and increase player resentment (also potentially reducing revenue streams).
TLDR: players are upset, less likely to buy MTX and Microsoft are issuing refunds.

Edit: for myself I haven’t refunded my MTX (which under Game Sharing my son doesn’t get, and that’s correct interpretation of what you mentioned) and my son has bought an EA key, but we are both extremely disinclined to spend more with GGG until this awful decision is reversed.

asking people who can´t afford a proper pc to suddenly spend more money on a game?
what did you expect, ggg?

the interesting part though, is that someone obviously simulated a xbox client for botting.

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vio#1992 wrote:

asking people who can´t afford a proper pc to suddenly spend more money on a game?
what did you expect, ggg?

the interesting part though, is that someone obviously simulated a xbox client for botting.

Maybe but doubtful. In developer mode you can only run offline UWP code, and can’t go online. If someone has managed to make a private Xbox hack and run unsigned code online MS has very strong protective code on their Live servers and that consoles hardware ID would get banned in less than an hour (I remember this from old 360 days). And without a hacked console you just can’t run unsigned code at all.
I can’t even think of a way a PC (with say the XDK) could even simulate being an Xbox on the Live network.

Edit: I’d love to see some evidence from GGG of these alleged Xbox bot groups. Only thing I can think of is using an “AI” on a PC with the disability controller to control an Xbox (or several), but that seems like a lot of work for no reason when you’d just make the PC bot. And also why (if doing that) would you just simulate Xboxes and not PlayStations as well?

I still don't have access to the game, I didn't steal anything, I didn't share my account, I invested 500 coins, I'm not a bot and I can't buy the cheapest access on my xbox account because I already have it!!! Will someone sort this out?

Before I say this, if my post is removed, you will lose me as a future customer I will never again touch this game and join the refunds.

With that said, I support GGG in this decision. As a console player and an old-time closed beta PC player, this is not my PC account for those who attack others for not being enough of a supporter. With that also said, bots exist on Xbox they always have, and they invade certain communities on Xbox.

Path of Exile is a perfect environment for RMT. There have been abuses of exploits, and I will not go into more detail than what will be stated. They take advantage of VM with multiboxing through the exploit. When a vulnerability is found, even with a patch, they always find a way around it. Think of it as permanent access through the exploit not all exploits are like this. PS4 had something similar happen some damage is irreversible. There will always be an alternative route through their findings it's their job.

The Elder Scrolls Online is a prime example it has no crossplay on console, especially on Xbox. Now, let me ask you this: how can someone log into dozens of Xbox accounts in the game, mirroring all those accounts to the main client? Well, a vulnerability, of course. Everyone thinks of Xbox as a foolproof sandbox, and I'm here to tell you it's not there is nothing foolproof in tech ever. If there were was, there would be no discussions involving vulnerabilities, breaches, etc.

Not to toot my own horn, but I've been in a party with the main guy behind the ESO bot scene on Xbox years ago. It definitely took me a while to find his main account and get him friendly enough to talk with me it was not easy, and it was quite a process. By the way, he is Chinese. Microsoft suspends them all the time including bans. We are in 2025 we have exploits out there bypassing group post limits for RMT and dev kit abuses. It's always a battle.
The 360 is no longer a comparison to what can and cannot be done nowadays, and China has always been number one in the botting community, always a step ahead. For them, it is a job there is so much competition for anything tech-related in china. That even with a top-notch degree, they are often pushed out, having nowhere to put their skills to good use. They have no choice but to engage in activities like botting and creating programs, which is a sad situation on both ends. Look up a documentary it gets pretty wild. Is what they're doing wrong? Absolutely. I'm not defending them. GGG is just giving them less leverage it's always sink or swim with bots. Just letting you guys know it's 100% a thing. When people are in survival mode, you would be surprised at what they do to survive, especially in tech life.

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Shana#8262 wrote:

With that also said, bots exist on Xbox they always have, and they invade certain communities on Xbox.

Older Xboxes sure, but no Xbox One hack was ever made public, and no Series X or S hack exists and even if it did those consoles would be hardware banned by the MS Live service in a heartbeat.
TLDR show proof of a hacked Series (only PoE2 supported Xbox) Xbox!

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Shana#8262 wrote:

Path of Exile is a perfect environment for RMT. There have been abuses of exploits, and I will not go into more detail than what will be stated.

Completely agree, and GGG has done little to nothing to combat it. All the various issues you raise have been on PC and I defy you to show otherwise for PoE2.

Edit: The so called ‘Chinese farmers’ (who are by no means all Chinese, but include Russian and other territories) use ‘child labour’ being paid cents on the dollar playing the game on 100s of PCs (that require no hacking or bypassing Microsoft security systems that are on XBox) using macros and bot apps.
You can spot these macros easily, just whisper from web trade someone offering a perfect Jewellers for 2 Div and wait for the obvious macro reply asking for “2div 60 ex or give me 3 div and I’ll give you change” and that’s just price fixing with a macro and not a bot. XBox can’t macro or bot.

Edit 2: What GGG needs to do is use their backend server to monitor the unique ID every piece of loot (including currency) has, and watch for unnatural trades of Divines etc.. Ban confirmed bad actors and stop blaming platforms that simply can’t do what they (and apparently you) claim are responsible without the slightest proof.

Edit 3: It’s curious thing that GGG are blaming Xboxes that (since hacked consoles have existed) have hardware banned hacked consoles from Live service, and not PlayStations (which historically have not, although not had a PlayStation since PS3 and they might be nowadays).