Please create Div shards and auto break div into fractional div

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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MLongPoE#2384 wrote:

Your suggestion gave me an idea. What if there was a Faustus bank? where you can deposit div and chaos and it would prioritize taking the decimal amount from the chaos you deposit? Or maybe just chaos...period. Put 1k in there and it would perform some sort of exchange rate. The deposit can cost the gold as opposed to each transaction? Or maybe that's too much actually. But there has to be another way than what is current for certain.

That is NOT your idea: that's exactly what I said at the beginning of this conversation which you immediately shot down as "itll never work".

Page 1: "I'd be open to faustus potentially giving change in the form of chaos (based on the current median rate), but definitely NOT more shards."

Your response: "I disagree with everything you said but I'm only going to explain why this part of your statement won't work."

What you said is not the same as what I said. If you meant what I said then you have to try to write a bit better. I also explained how your idea couldn't work because it was coming out of thin air. By depositing it in the hypothetical faustus bank, it would then not come out of thin air and would make sense. I gave you a whole elaborate explanation you must not have read or maybe i wrote it poorly too. But I am sure, what you said and what I said are two different things OR what you said was too incomplete for me to put together.

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MLongPoE#2384 wrote:

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 wrote:

...Because I pointed out a pretty big flaw in your entire premise: namely, that you are applying a special pleading fallacy and divine shards would not actually make trading any faster or easier,...

LOL

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MLongPoE#2384 wrote:

If an item is 7.4 div then I have to get 7.4 div worth of chaos and then buy the item or take a huge chaos hit

This implies i make two trades with Faustus while divine shards would make it one. That's exactly the definition of making things faster in this case.

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MLongPoE#2384 wrote:

Also the current method I use is to convert to chaos and then buy as chaos. Chaos are basically Div Shards with extra steps right now.

Explicitly stating that it's still two steps to save the fraction of div I'm asking to be turned into one step through div shards. THis is also a statement that already covers someone else who jumped in later proving he was trolling or didn't read the thread before responding (aka trolling).

There are multiple instances of pure trolling. Not reading the thread before posting in it (especially when putting down a suggestion) is trolling as well. REading and pretending that things weren't said, is trolling and unreasonable. Wasting peoples time with assumptions is not reasonable at all and could mislead devs who might want more concise threads rather than long drawn out threads of repeated information. If I was king, a dev would just freeze this thread b/c it's not going anywhere and I'm sorry to have wasted the kb's on their server at this point.

I could keep going on man but this is just out of control.

The short version of my two suggestions total in this thread are:

1. Introduce divine shards to prevent having two net trades to buy x.x divines worth of items through Faustus by allowing shards to be included int he purchase in addition to the whole, net divine amount. Divine shards would be helpful to SSF players too through Harbingers. Too rare to be cumbersome but common enough to make harby's worthy farm in all modes, to include ruthless.
2. Take away fractional divines with Faustus as nothing else is fractional. Whole numbers make things smoother.

You are still applying a special pleading fallacy and refusing to engage with the argument, so I'm going to be charitable and assume you just don't understand my point. I'll restate:

Your idea does not save time compared to trading directly with players, because you have to get the gold to make the trade happen, which takes time. The only cases where trading is faster on Faustus than directly are when you cannot get a person (or several persons) to reply, AND the transaction takes an extremely small amount of gold. If either of those conditions are not met, trading directly with players is faster, and for several-div trades NEITHER of those conditions are met the majority of the time.

@ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. GLHF

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MLongPoE#2384 wrote:

What you said is not the same as what I said. If you meant what I said then you have to try to write a bit better. I also explained how your idea couldn't work because it was coming out of thin air. By depositing it in the hypothetical faustus bank, it would then not come out of thin air and would make sense. I gave you a whole elaborate explanation you must not have read or maybe i wrote it poorly too. But I am sure, what you said and what I said are two different things OR what you said was too incomplete for me to put together.

It absolutely is, but once again you are only looking at it from ONE SIDE. That is your problem with this whole thread. You are so obstinately only looking at how it affects YOU, and not the other side of the equation. But there are two sides to every sale: a buyer and a seller.

So what if YOU have a bank of change to use: the trade you make with someone else now forces chaos on them. Chaos they might not want. Chaos they now have to do something with. The same thing that would happen with div shards, except div shards are unusable otherwise making them far worse and far more cumbersome. The "thin air is bad" concept makes zero sense.....if currency works as an exchange rate, and you are buying an item for a fractional amount of divines, then it literally doesn't matter if faustus "manufactures" chaos for you......that doesn't add or remove any overall currency value from the trade system. In exactly the same way your bank does, without the cumbersome need for a bank.

So "getting change in chaos automatically" from page 1 is pretty darn crystal clear and exactly the same concept functionally as your "bank", with less steps. But the same idea you "gave a whole elaborate explanation" as to why it wouldn't work.

You are so laser focused on ONLY YOU that you fail to grasp the arguments being made and how your suggestion and fragments in general are BAD for the trade.

And labeling the few of us that continually point out how you continue ignoring a full 50% of the argument as "trolls" doesn't really help any of your argument either. It just shows an adamant refusal to even consider that you might be overlooking something or downright wrong about certain things.

This is such a complete non issue.

They were asked when fracturing shards were added if they would ever consider divine shards, they said no thats what chaos orbs do and it is what they do (at least for trade). Yes the rate fluxgates but with the ingame trade you can get an accurate realtime estimation of the ratio and at worst you need to adjust a couple chaos one way or the other to be at the proper ratio.

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goetzjam#3084 wrote:

This is such a complete non issue.

They were asked when fracturing shards were added if they would ever consider divine shards, they said no thats what chaos orbs do and it is what they do (at least for trade). Yes the rate fluxgates but with the ingame trade you can get an accurate realtime estimation of the ratio and at worst you need to adjust a couple chaos one way or the other to be at the proper ratio.

You're right but there was no faustus at that time. The game has changed significantly since 3.20.x era from almost 3 years ago.

@cowmoo275#3095, We are going to have to agree to disagree. GLHF

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MLongPoE#2384 wrote:

Please make div shards. The fact I have to spend gold to buy chaos to then spend gold to exchange for other items with Faustus has become cumbersome and silly.

If an item is 7.4 div then I have to get 7.4 div worth of chaos and then buy the item or take a huge chaos hit. I should spend 8 div and get 6 shards back (assuming it's 10 shards per div). They do not have to drop and can be exclusive to faustus as "change".

Thank you.

Just do the math mate. Takes like a second on a windows calculator. Should know what div are worth (about) and if you can't afford to buy more in bulk then you should be paying in chaos, not div.

They are essentially 2 different prices, one is bulk (div) one is singles (chaos), bulk is usually more expensive.