Open Apology. There is No Secret Quest(maybe?)
" This is precisely the problem. It is impossible to prove an abstract concept right or wrong. This level of thinking is what limits your understanding and detracts from the truth of your arguments and examples. Can you prove there ISN'T a flying spaghetti monster right next to you at this very moment? With 100% certainty? Can you prove there ISN'T two identical snowflakes right down to the atomic level? This is the basis of OUR reality: trying to make absolute assumptions when there is none to be had. It is the basis of theoretical physics. That is why most of the things we "know to be true" about our existence and reality are still only labeled as "theories". And they will forever BE theories, because it is impossible to prove otherwise. We accept our perception of reality as truth only because we do not have the capacity to understand it. Starting anew....with PoE 2 Last edited by cowmoo275#3095 on Aug 7, 2025, 4:49:04 PM
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" nope, not that one. i am in no way saying anything magically vanishes. I am simply addressing the issue with perception. if you are looking at anything, but you are seeing it as a predefined concept, you will not see what you are looking at. just like in this conversation. you have a predetermined conceptualization that you are looking through while reading what i write, and therefore can't exactly understand what i mean. |
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" Give me an example of two identical real objects in the world There has never been identical pixels. Let alone real objects. Explain to me how two different objects can occupy the same space in time or give me an example of identical real world objects, if you can’t do that it’s for a reason. What we use to communicate here are called symbols. Symbols aren’t real, we created them to help us round. If all humans vanished tomorrow our symbols would retain what meaning? We are the ones giving them any degree of meaning or existence. They aren’t real. “In all the realms of heaven and in all the realms of hell I alone am heralded as the honored one, who am I?” Last edited by Lore#3772 on Aug 7, 2025, 5:00:52 PM
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" Why did you perceive what I wrote earlier as something you saw or heard before then? This goes against the notion you just wrote. |
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" See my above comment about the difference between symbols and real objects. Where can I find the alphabet in the wilderness? Human pride is unchecked and it’s allowing our collective ego to rewrite reality to our liking. Nothing we do or say as a species will ever change the facts of reality. We simply fool ourselves into thinking we have conquered something we don’t even understand .1% of. It feels much safer telling ourselves we’ve solved a lot than it does saying we’ve solved next to nothing. “In all the realms of heaven and in all the realms of hell I alone am heralded as the honored one, who am I?” Last edited by Lore#3772 on Aug 7, 2025, 5:04:13 PM
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" This is the exact reverse of what you stated earlier. You claim "there has never been" without abandon. That is human pride. You ask for proof: that is human pride. You claim things don't or can't exist: that is human pride. The "facts of reality" is human pride. Is it a "fact" that reality remains stable? What if all of reality is on a spinning axis of possibilities, where the "facts" keep changing and inverting: yet because we are human, we cannot perceive these changes? A "fact" is human pride. "Proof" is human pride. Starting anew....with PoE 2 Last edited by cowmoo275#3095 on Aug 7, 2025, 5:09:36 PM
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" It is actually identical to what I said earlier. Perception isn’t universal. Try rereading a few times. I don’t contradict myself. It’s not even possible for me to do on this topic. How about you quote where it’s the reverse of what I said rather than create slander. How many apples do I need to grow for you until you have 2 identical apples? How many apples do I need to give you before you can cut one in perfect halves? “In all the realms of heaven and in all the realms of hell I alone am heralded as the honored one, who am I?” Last edited by Lore#3772 on Aug 7, 2025, 5:07:15 PM
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" can you explain the difference between a letter of an alphabet and an object? certain langues even have symbols(letter equivalents) that describe such objects. |
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Sure thing.
Symbols are imaginary. Someone one day imagined the system and created it. Any symbol ever can represent different things to different people, there is no constant that is defined. We each are free to perceive every symbol however we wish. I can’t wish a diamond won’t scratch my glass. Symbols are a creation of the human mind, just like the constraint of “time” There is no such thing as time. Just degradation and movement. There is proof time doesn’t exist displayed by light itself. Light is born and ends up at its final location in the same instant in “time” Things that we imagined into existence to help us define reality aren’t real. They are simply imaginary tools we use to help us define what is around us in a very flawed way. Now I’m not sitting here saying that these systems we invented are useless. They clearly have utility. “In all the realms of heaven and in all the realms of hell I alone am heralded as the honored one, who am I?” Last edited by Lore#3772 on Aug 7, 2025, 5:12:51 PM
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" right, and when you perceive an 'object' by looking at it or touching it you are creating such symbolic representation in your mind. you creation is heavily influenced by your past experiences because this is how you mind orientates itself in order to function. Your heavy reliance on this even lead you to misunderstand what i wrote earlier as something you were exposed to in the past. if this doesn't seem ironic to you I failed here XD |
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