Solo Players Get Crushed by Party Play Inflation

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Darthuns#4073 wrote:

roll a T15 map with rarity + desecrated prefix, essences of greed for a bit of rarity = sells for 1 annulement on the market.

Surely we're not citing the scammer prices in annul. No-one is buying stuff in annul unless they want to get scammed.

Omen of Chaotic Rarity + Chaos + Omen of Sinistral Necromancy + Preserved Vertabrae + Distilled Paranoia - that's what people usually do, and if you hit abyss overrun and the map is 100% rarity then sure you can sell it for 3 div, or if you miss you might sell it for 1 - but it's more than possible to get a positive return on investment as a solo player in these maps.

Maps have variance, if you run one juiced map and don't get anything ,you run another, another, another, until you hit Unstable Energies on a good layout with a quad breach or something and suddenly you made more than all the maps could have sold for.

Parties also run into the same problem if they do not run enough of the juiced content. You can party up and go negative easily, in fact it happens at a higher rate and more often because of the sharing.

This is just what happens when you invest in your content and loot is RNG. Sometimes you get unlucky. If you sell all your good maps, you are just selling away your chances at something good, which is probably why you end up making less than the people running it.

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kemiksizIVAR#3589 wrote:

Party play is killing the economy way too fast.
Solo players make significantly less currency compared to party players, and since parties farm so much more, prices for everything skyrocket. This makes the overall economy really unhealthy, and solo players get crushed in this system.

I honestly think there should be separate servers (or modes) for party play and normal/solo play. That way both groups could enjoy the game without completely destroying the balance for each other.

And before someone says "just play SSF" — that’s not the point.
I want to play solo and still interact with the trade economy. SSF is not the solution here, because it completely removes trading, and trading is a big part of the game.

What content in the game are you unable to clear because of the economy?

Lots of people have reported here that they can clear T15 maps with gear that costs 40ex. Not even 1 divine. Are you saying you are unable to clear an Uber Boss at max difficulty? If so, it seems correct to me that you need to grind in order to afford the gear to do that.

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vzmNitie#2139 wrote:

if you dont believe this things exist, then why you are againg removing it? (it didnt exist, yeah????).

Or more likely you just terrified removing ez currency farm will affect your bot team?

If you want to remove Gravebinds so rarity bots are not a thing, sure I guess. It's really not what is ruining the economy, players do not get that high rarity anymore, and most parties do not have rarity bots.

If you want to "remove rarity" you do not know what you are talking about. You get 10% quantity of items and 25% more currency per player in a party. Not more rarity.

If you just looked to other players for strats instead of to compare yours, got a couple of rings with decent rarity, then prepped the strats and played the game, you would also make decent currency man. I play with my friends, I play solo, I make more solo usually.

The biggest problem isn't any of that, it's multiboxing

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 wrote:

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kemiksizIVAR#3589 wrote:

Party play is killing the economy way too fast.
Solo players make significantly less currency compared to party players, and since parties farm so much more, prices for everything skyrocket. This makes the overall economy really unhealthy, and solo players get crushed in this system.

I honestly think there should be separate servers (or modes) for party play and normal/solo play. That way both groups could enjoy the game without completely destroying the balance for each other.

And before someone says "just play SSF" — that’s not the point.
I want to play solo and still interact with the trade economy. SSF is not the solution here, because it completely removes trading, and trading is a big part of the game.

What content in the game are you unable to clear because of the economy?

Lots of people have reported here that they can clear T15 maps with gear that costs 40ex. Not even 1 divine. Are you saying you are unable to clear an Uber Boss at max difficulty? If so, it seems correct to me that you need to grind in order to afford the gear to do that.

Yes, I know I need to work a lot more on my gear, I’m aware of that. But party players farm in just one week as much currency as I can get in a whole month. Why should I be punished just because I play solo? I know the farm is shared between party members, but still, compared to a SOLO PLAYER, they farm way, way more currency etc.

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AverBeg7#1689 wrote:

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vzmNitie#2139 wrote:

if you dont believe this things exist, then why you are againg removing it? (it didnt exist, yeah????).

Or more likely you just terrified removing ez currency farm will affect your bot team?

If you want to remove Gravebinds so rarity bots are not a thing, sure I guess. It's really not what is ruining the economy, players do not get that high rarity anymore, and most parties do not have rarity bots.

If you want to "remove rarity" you do not know what you are talking about. You get 10% quantity of items and 25% more currency per player in a party. Not more rarity.

If you just looked to other players for strats instead of to compare yours, got a couple of rings with decent rarity, then prepped the strats and played the game, you would also make decent currency man. I play with my friends, I play solo, I make more solo usually.

I played with my friends, and we would play it together even w/o +rarity/quantity/enourmous gold/etc. But the differency between party (even w/o raritybot) and signle is so big. You can run solo 10 maps to drop 1 div, you can run with friends (even w/o rarity bot) and print 1-2 div per map. It's just too big of a difference. I dont care what they try to sell via GUI, but actual drops of currency is extremely different between party/solo.

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vzmNitie#2139 wrote:

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AverBeg7#1689 wrote:

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vzmNitie#2139 wrote:

if you dont believe this things exist, then why you are againg removing it? (it didnt exist, yeah????).

Or more likely you just terrified removing ez currency farm will affect your bot team?

If you want to remove Gravebinds so rarity bots are not a thing, sure I guess. It's really not what is ruining the economy, players do not get that high rarity anymore, and most parties do not have rarity bots.

If you want to "remove rarity" you do not know what you are talking about. You get 10% quantity of items and 25% more currency per player in a party. Not more rarity.

If you just looked to other players for strats instead of to compare yours, got a couple of rings with decent rarity, then prepped the strats and played the game, you would also make decent currency man. I play with my friends, I play solo, I make more solo usually.

I played with my friends, and we would play it together even w/o +rarity/quantity/enourmous gold/etc. But the differency between party (even w/o raritybot) and signle is so big. You can run solo 10 maps to drop 1 div, you can run with friends (even w/o rarity bot) and print 1-2 div per map. It's just too big of a difference. I dont care what they try to sell via GUI, but actual drops of currency is extremely different between party/solo.

Couldn't have said it better.

Party bonuses ruin the economy because of how botters abuse it. Party play should have the same rarity/quantity as solo play. The reason to play in a party should be "because it's FUN to play with friends!", that's a great and valid reason by itself. Right now it's just another incentive for RMT/Botters.

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KubaLy#4534 wrote:

Party bonuses ruin the economy because of how botters abuse it. Party play should have the same rarity/quantity as solo play. The reason to play in a party should be "because it's FUN to play with friends!", that's a great and valid reason by itself. Right now it's just another incentive for RMT/Botters.

Same rarity for solo won't do much at all. This still would not matter due to gravebind gloves: "Enemies in your Presence killed by anyone count as being killed by you instead", all you have to do is having one person with the gloves, all the passives for presence radius (incl a scepter) and rarity on every single piece that allows for.

Normally such a build would be inefficient to play but it's a massive boon if someone else does the killing, instead.

Saying this exact thing since the release. Its not gonna work. The issue are mostly rarity bots. Without rarity bots ubwont reach that much rarity

Another thing is how map rarity interacts with personal rarity. Its multiplicative for some fucking reason and not additive. So 300 map rarity + 700 personal will be 2100

Which also means higher rarity is way more effective than it would be with additive.

Thats an issue it should be additive