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I'm getting kinda sick of threads trying to call out the "deterministic crafting" as a problem.
Lets be honest for a minute.
The crafting in this game, in this leage, with all the omens, all the desecration bones, and the new higher orbs, still doesn't even deserve to be called a crafting system at all, let alone a deterministic one.
99.9999999999999% of player will never even be able to engage with the crafting at all, because everything you need for it is so exceedingly rare and only becomes obtainable so exceedingly late in the game, that functionally they don't exist.
And even when you do have the filthy rich Bezos level wealth to even try to craft something, the crafting process is still just rng on top of rng on top of rng.
There's no dang crafting in this game, just the loot casino, and all this update did was change the color of some of the slot machines.
To answer the titular question though, no ground loot isn't worth much of anything.
But that has nothing to do with the "crafting". The stuff that drops is just bad on it's own merit. It would still be bad if none of the "crafting" was in the game.
For most players, even with no form of crafting existing, it's still not worth picking up anything but currency, because nothing worth equipping or selling ever drops.
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Pre-nerf Harvest league in PoE1 was deterministic.
What we have in PoE2 is gambling. No amount of omens you add to the game is going to take away the fact your next "craft" can still brick your item, wasting whatever currency you invested into it so far. It exists to be a currency sink for players who have a mirror's worth of stash wealth they're willing to blow away.
imo the omens made it worse. if you kept the bones and just use them as fun ex slams with picks it would be more fun. i look at omens and i already know i would need to look up mod tables, tiers, figure out how to min max my chances. those omens are very vague in what they offer otherwise. cant even imagine what a new player might think of those things other than trash (if they didn't look up a 'YT crafting guide')
they are doing full 180 here even on the 'intuitive/no website look up' game interactions
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Posted byAintCare#6513on Oct 4, 2025, 4:39:01 PM
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Long term POE 1 player here
The 'better' you get at the economy and making currency, the more you filter out. My less experienced friends can't believe how much my filters hide, they also can't believe how much currency I typically have.
It feels good to see items drop when the filter deems it worthy. Because of this, I've actually ID crafted multiple 20-40d items in POE 1 over the years. All the time? hell no. But now and again.
During a few leagues i'll let you know I've filtered out chaos orbs in POE 1, and hired a 'looter' just to loot my maps of chaos and w/e they wanted, so i could map harder/faster. They took like 25% or w/e, I didn't care or count I was filtering them out so they could ahve lied, who knows, who cares.
But when you have the game down, you can actually lose currency by stopping to pickup every penny. I know it sounds dumb as fuck... But when you're blasting maps in 20 seconds for divines taking 6 minutes to pickup 1/3 of a divine in chaos is more trouble than it's worth. more money blasting faster and just picking up the divines (or hiring someone to loot your chaos). In that same 6 mintues time I could have run 5 more maps and grabbed a divine or two. Instead I picked up 1/3 of a divine in chaos~
That is the level of degeneracy we strive for.
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Posted byRakie1337#5746on Oct 4, 2025, 4:47:35 PMOn Probation
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As title indicates, my frustration lies with ground loot being practically pointless (except for specific lvl82 items/t1 mods).
This leagues deterministic crafting + exceptional items has made ground loot completely worthless, I get anywhere between 4-8 Tier4-5 items a map on decent bases but have yet to come across one actually worth any decent amount of money?
Unless you get perfect T1/T2's across the board, you might aswell just drop the item and forget about it.
99% of my wealth is purely from juiced maps and praying for divine drops and am currenty level 98 and probably about done with the league unfortunately. I would love to get a mirror but I dont fancy doing another 900 maps to have the currency to buy one.
I hope next league doesnt have such systems in place that completely negate ground loot :(
You could always become a streamer so GGG will give you drops.
Innocence forgives you
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That's a good question. I was wondering the same thing. I think ground loot is generally still in a good place, but I play SSF. This makes me think that maybe the game is now more balanced around SSF, which I think is a good thing.
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Posted byac429#4687on Oct 4, 2025, 6:18:54 PMAlpha Member
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